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mdntblu

join:1999-09-30
Corona, CA

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Uverse being used for guest wireless

I have a question about the 2Wire Uverse Router and it's ability to handle several hundred people on a wireless infrastructure.

We are a church and pay for the highest speed business class Uverse and we have an HP MSM760 Wireless controller setup with 8-10 MSM 410 Wireless access points. During the week the speed of the network is fine getting around 12mb/down 1.5mb/up most of the time. But what we find is on Sundays when church is in session and people are using their portable devices on the WiFi for looking at the Bible and other things the speed comes to a grinding halt and no web browsing can occur.
how many concurrent connections can the Uverse 2Wire router handle?
Anyone have experience with this?
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fukitol
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Look up QoS and bandwidth control in the MSM760 manual.


mdntblu

join:1999-09-30
Corona, CA
reply to mdntblu
I don't think it's the MSM controller. It seems when we get over 100 concurrent connections is when everything takes a dive and there is tons of latency and slowness. That's what I wanted to know how many connections the Uverse 2-Wire 3800 router can handle.
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trparky
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It has been known that the NAT capabilities of the older white 2Wire router isn't exactly known for being very... shall we say, powerful.

Even those people who have four HD IPTV streams going on their TVs in their homes have shown slower Internet in the sense that it takes longer for the TCP/IP handshake to occur.

The white 2Wire device is underpowered for the kind of data that they are trying to push through it. Some people have said that the newer black version of the 2Wire router handles high amounts of traffic better than the older white version because the black version has a dual-core CPU in it.
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ConstantineM

join:2011-09-02
San Jose, CA
reply to mdntblu
Unless you decide to ditch the broken 2Wire gear, ditching your FTTN U-verse as a consequence, you might want to check out some kind of nearby VPN or VPS hosting, and do a tunnel to the real internet, bypassing the stupid limitations of the 2Wire PoS. See some discussion and a link to a tutorial at »Static IP w/ U-verse vs. Dynamic IP w/ a VPN from a VPS.

Also, a post about U-verse from a sys soft eng guy who used to run his own ISP back in the day:
»leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchiv···074.html


tigerpaw509

join:2011-01-19
reply to mdntblu
Just wondering .Do you think having a few hundred people on your wireless shouldnt affect you network ?


trparky
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If they're only browsing simple web sites, no... it shouldn't have a problem. Streaming media? Forget it, your Internet is going to have some serious issues if several people start streaming multi-megabit streams.
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fukitol
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reply to mdntblu
If a bunch of users are hitting the same site at once, an HTTP proxy may be a good idea.


mdntblu

join:1999-09-30
Corona, CA
reply to tigerpaw509
The network is totally separate from the regular church network. The MSM760 allows us to connect the church network to a separate internet connection and the guest access goes through the Uverse. The Uverse router isn't handing out IP's either, it's just basically providing the MSM760 a gateway to the internet.
It's basically people checking email, looking up bible scriptures. Shouldn't be much streaming media going on.
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If it's IPDSL, you could conceivably run a second connection, at the same speed, into the church. I suppose this could help, but it doesn't sound like the problem is associated with bandwidth, more with hardware.


Shadow01
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reply to mdntblu
My guess is that the upload is the issue. At a hundred users, the upload per user is 15kb/s. Plus I would guess that many connections on a consumer grade router is probably not the best.
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ConstantineM

join:2011-09-02
San Jose, CA

encrypted VPN over UDP is the only way out of 2Wire PoS!

I dunno why you guys are still guessing. First off, at 100 users, 1.5Mbps upload hardly means 15 Kbps for each user, unless everyone is taking and uploading pictures all at the same time. Even then, 15 Kbps upload is probably just about all you ever need for making static HTTP GET requests on a smart phone anyways.

The problem is that 2Wire PoS (or maybe even other parts of the U-verse network) cannot handle more than XXX connections. The only known (and certain) way out is setting up a VPN. With an encrypted VPN over UDP, there are no connections whatsoever as far as U-verse is concerned (UDP is connectionless by design), so you'll only be limited by the bandwidth, and could support as many users as your bandwidth could handle, without AT&T even knowing a thing. An added benefit of a VPN is that you could even perform compression if your link is slow (12/1.5 isn't that fast), potentially making it maybe as fast as 25/5 from 12/1.5, as far as hundreds of users browsing the web are concerned. (Compression at 12/1.5 probably won't be that cheap on the CPUs, though, but still a future improvement to keep in mind, especially if you won't be using consumer routers, but, say, a PC instead.)

Nowadays, you can easily rent a whole VPS with root access and all, and setup whatever VPN you want, for under 20 dollars a month, and with no contracts. Make sure you get a server not far away from yourself, though. I'd recommend starting up with Linode.com in Fremont, shouldn't be too far away from you in Corona, CA, although some LA options would probably be even better.

Let us know how it turns out!


fukitol
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reply to mdntblu

Re: Uverse being used for guest wireless

Looks like the options are:
- Upgrade to Uverse Max Turbo, to get a higher upload speed (3Mbps)
- Switch to cable Internet or a leased line, to get a higher upload speed and eliminate the requirement to use ISP-owned equipment (the Uverse gateway)
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