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<title>Re: What do you think about LED light bulbs</title>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : my $6 lights of america costco specials have been working fine for over 2 years now. only 2 have degraded light output but still work fine. ]]></description>
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<title>Re: What do you think about LED light bulbs</title>
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<description><![CDATA[James7000 posted : I actually like the light provided by my LED light bulbs.  I switched my recessed lighting to LED light bulbs.  The brand I choose to go with was the Toshiba LED light bulbs because they offered a 5 year warranty on the lumen outout as stated by &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.westsidewholesale.com/lighting/led-lighting/led-light-bulbs" >www.westsidewholesale.com/lighti&middot;&middot;&middot;ht-bulbs</A>.  It has been 6 months and I am happy to report no problems and I have actually seen my electricity bill go down in price.  I know the price of the bulbs are high right now but I do enjoy knowing I will not have to change my bulbs for at least five years.]]></description>
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<title>Re: What do you think about LED light bulbs</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Jack_in_VA posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1815538" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1815538');">Critsmcgee</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1506715" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1506715');">Jack_in_VA</a>:</said><p>$35 a bulb?  :(   Forget it. When they get LED bulbs down to about $1 per bulb then I might consider it.<br> </p></div>Who wouldn't use them at $1 each. I take it your just against anything until the price is right? That's the typical consumer sediment these days it seems. <br> </p></div>Yep it's all about the money. I'll leave the green part to those who get off on thinking they are doing something while drinking their bottled water in polluting plastic bottles and living in their mega mansions.<br><br>I have much better uses of my available funds.]]></description>
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<title>Re: What do you think about LED light bulbs</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Critsmcgee posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1506715" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1506715');">Jack_in_VA</a>:</said><p>$35 a bulb?  :(   Forget it. When they get LED bulbs down to about $1 per bulb then I might consider it.<br> </p></div>Who wouldn't use them at $1 each. I take it your just against anything until the price is right? That's the typical consumer sediment these days it seems. ]]></description>
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<title>Re: What do you think about LED light bulbs</title>
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<description><![CDATA[fifty nine posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1506715" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1506715');">Jack_in_VA</a>:</said><p>Using mostly CFL's which last much longer. At least for me so far.<br> </p></div>Yeah that's fine too. I don't like them for cold weather though. ]]></description>
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<title>Re: What do you think about LED light bulbs</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Jack_in_VA posted : Using mostly CFL's which last much longer. At least for me so far.]]></description>
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<title>Re: What do you think about LED light bulbs</title>
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<description><![CDATA[fifty nine posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1506715" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1506715');">Jack_in_VA</a>:</said><p>$35 a bulb?  :(   Forget it. When they get LED bulbs down to about $1 per bulb then I might consider it.<br> </p></div>The bulbs last almost 23 years. The number of incandescents you will replace during that time will easily exceed the cost of an LED. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Michail posted : I read a report today that suggested big savings when using LED lighting in refrigerated environments. ]]></description>
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<title>Re: What do you think about LED light bulbs</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Kramer posted : The article that you posted was very informative. It's basic premise is, you get what you pay for. $35 isn't for me as well, but I do start to get interested at $10 and less and a price point compared to incandescent or CFL bulbs isn't necessary. There are advantages of LED bulbs that have yet to be realized that I may be willing to pay a lot of dollars for. If they can pack the equivalent of a 150 watt bulb in something that uses 30 watts, I will be buying a lot of those. Switch seems well on the way to something like that. My eyes are not what they once used to be and every lumen of light more than I have now, means I see better then I do now. I'm looking for bulbs for my floor lamps that output the equivalent lumens of a 500 watt bulb that only use 100 watts. My home was previously owned by a cop and an FBI agent. The lighting in the back yard is thorough to the point of almost being excessive. I've never found the right lighting for all the wiring. I have changed out those fixtures so many times. When I moved in there were 500w halogen bulbs in every fixture, blowing breakers when you turned on the wrong things at the wrong time. That lit up the back yard like daylight, but I could watch my electrical meter level itself from the gyroscopic effect of the wheel spinning. I still have some lower power halogens, but mostly incandescent now. They only stay on when there is movement, so they go pretty light on the pocketbook. I like the idea of going back to that 500w levels of lighting while using 100 watts to do it. That's worth paying for. I think LEDs are going to be a big hit at a much higher price point than CFLs were able to. They will do this because of their light output, not their cost at first.]]></description>
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<title>Re: What do you think about LED light bulbs</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Jack_in_VA posted : $35 a bulb?  :(   Forget it. When they get LED bulbs down to about $1 per bulb then I might consider it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kramer posted : Actually, manufacturing costs in the US are leveling v. China. I heard a report the other day that expected 2 million manufacturing jobs to come back to America from China by the year 2015. <br><br>One thing that I just noticed on Switch's web site is a little worrisome. <br><br><blockquote><small>In an attempt to make a good thing better, we assembled a team of electrical engineers, chemists, physicists, and technology experts in the heart of Silicon Valley, and resolved to do what had never been done before. Make light right.<br><br>In the process, we learned what it takes to change a light bulb:<br><br>    1,674 hours of research and development<br>    714 failed experiments<br></blockquote></small><br><br>1674 hours does not impress me. That's 10 guys working 4- 40 hour weeks. They have been at this supposedly since 2007. Sounds like a hobby. We shall see. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Subaru posted : I doubt they can keep the manufacturing in the US at $35 each that's steep.. Only one figure I think I could use it in and that's about it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kramer posted : It was easy to forget about them. They have been taking their sweet time getting these to market. I still have my doubts that they can mass produce them and get them to market at a competitive price. At $35/ea. they will probably only get a handful of takers. That's fine though, because I suspect they look at these early adopters as beta testers. It will also be interesting to see if they can keep the manufacturing in the US.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Subaru posted : I forgot all about switch]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kramer posted : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iA8tnCZb9AI4KUk_elUptwpGCzzQ?docId=CNG.4979a52833e557f81b2fc065c56d468a.41" >www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar&middot;&middot;&middot;d468a.41</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.allgeek.tv/2012/01/16/switch-lighting-is-revolutionizing-the-world-of-led-lightbulbs/" >www.allgeek.tv/2012/01/16/switch&middot;&middot;&middot;htbulbs/</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://switchlightbulbs.com/index.html" >switchlightbulbs.com/index.html</A><br><br>This is the LED bulb that I hope I have been waiting for. They use a smaller number of LEDs and run them hotter, all while liquid cooling them. They should become available by the end of the month although the entry price is steep at $35 ea. The price is expected to drop to under $20 by the end of the year. What attracts me about these bulbs is that they have the potential to provide extremely bright high efficiency lighting. These bulbs get hot unlike most other LED bulbs. According to Switch, that's a good thing as the heat that the LEDs produce is dissipated more easily. They get to about 85 degrees C, which is about 1/2 the temperature a traditional incandescent reaches. <br><br>I use CFLs probably in 85% of my light fixtures and I hate every one of them. I hate the color.  I use them where you shouldn't and they die pretty frequently although not as often as standard bulbs. There probably isn't anything uglier hanging from a ceiling fan. I'm not going to spend $35 or even $20 on a light bulb unless it fits a very specific need. Once they hit 10 bucks and under I will start to get interested. That isn't going to be too far down the road. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[grobinette posted : I thought we were discussing LED light bulbs and staying away from any of the so called politics surrounding them. :(<br><br>Lets keep it on topic. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Spork posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by Prices :</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1800334" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1800334');">Spork</a>:</said><p>They retired several thousand MW of power already here and the rates are the same. Let's put opinions aside here and try to stick with some facts. Do you have any facts that support your claims? Right now most of the facts are against you. I'm from Missouri the "Show-me" state so can you "Show-me" the proof of your claim?<br> </p></div>With all of the debate here and elsewhere about coal-fired generation, what are your opinions on where near term and long term prices are headed?  <br> </p></div>That's outside my realm of knowledge but I'd be interested in the answer myself.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Spork posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/153280" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=153280');">Fighterpilot</a>:</said><p>"For most it is not pointless. The savings are real."<br> <br>I'd be very interested in someone's LONG TERM analysis of this.  My guess is it would be a wash at best.  Most fail to look at ALL of the costs and are only swayed by the perceived WOW factor.</p></div>We've done many 10-20 year projections on Incandescent vs. CFl vs. LED on the forums here over the last year. What do you consider "all" the costs and is there really a way to quantify them? For example how does one figure out how much heat an incandescent produces vs. an LED then quantify that into something useable? <br><br>So far I know we've taken actual hardware cost, electricity cost, CO2, life span, etc. into account. It varies based on your usage, electricity cost, price of replacement, etc. but generally it's a 1 1/2 to 3 year ROI to switch a given light from incandescent to LED. You could get a faster ROI going from incandescent to CFL if you wanted as well. A typical ROI on that is 6-12 months. There are some applications where it makes little difference and others where it makes a major difference. An LED vs an incandescent bulb in your freezer for example would make very little impact. On the other hand an LED in your living room that's on say 5 hours a day over an incandescent is a major impact. Other factors you can't calculate are light lumens, color, and similar things.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[StepR posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/153280" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=153280');">Fighterpilot</a>:</said><p>"For most it is not pointless. The savings are real."<br> <br>I'd be very interested in someone's LONG TERM analysis of this.  My guess is it would be a wash at best.  Most fail to look at ALL of the costs and are only swayed by the perceived WOW factor.<br> </p></div>This article<br><i>The Math Changes on Bulbs</i><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203537304577031912827196558.html?mod=googlenews_wsj" >online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142&middot;&middot;&middot;news_wsj</A><br><br>was cited in this thread:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r26612896-LED-lighting-update-qThe-Math-Changes-on-Bulbsq">LED lighting update: &quot;The Math Changes on Bulbs&quot;</A><br><br>The DOE study found that the energy savings plus the savings in not hiring crews to change bulbs was worth the increased cost of the LED bulb.  As the price of LED drops, the savings will be even greater.  <br><br>I find that using CFLs at home justifies the price within months, and they last years longer.  I rarely have to change a CFL bulb whereas before I was constantly changing incandescents.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[fifty nine posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/153280" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=153280');">Fighterpilot</a>:</said><p>"For most it is not pointless. The savings are real."<br> <br>I'd be very interested in someone's LONG TERM analysis of this.  My guess is it would be a wash at best.  Most fail to look at ALL of the costs and are only swayed by the perceived WOW factor.</p></div>What is there to look at long term?<br><br>The math is pretty clear. You're using 1/5th to 1/10th the energy and the bulbs last a very long time. I have CFLs going on 10 years now. I've replaced maybe 3 of them (that were replaced for free under Costco's awesome return policy) vs having to replace incandescents every few months. <br><br><div class="bquote"><p>Again, if these were going to acutally replace incandescents then the govt would not need a law to get rid of incandescents.  The market would just take to CFL/LEDs because they were economically superior.  There is no 'market failure' here, only the govt sticking their nose where it doesn't need to be.<br> </p></div>Yup, a law is needed because people are blindly believing Rush and Beck when they tell people that the Government mandating energy efficiency standards is the first step towards full blown communism. This really wouldn't be a problem if everyone generated their own electricity. But as it is we use a shared grid and have to use public land and easements to run power lines and build infrastructure. We also have to fight wars and take away land from people to secure energy supplies. We also breathe air and drink water polluted by dirty coal burning power plants. <br><br>So the Government absolutely should be "sticking its nose" in here so we won't have to do those things as much. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Fighterpilot posted : "For most it is not pointless. The savings are real."<br> <br>I'd be very interested in someone's LONG TERM analysis of this.  My guess is it would be a wash at best.  Most fail to look at ALL of the costs and are only swayed by the perceived WOW factor.<br><br>Again, if these were going to acutally replace incandescents then the govt would not need a law to get rid of incandescents.  The market would just take to CFL/LEDs because they were economically superior.  There is no 'market failure' here, only the govt sticking their nose where it doesn't need to be.<br><small>--<br>TT<br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[fifty nine posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/153280" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=153280');">Fighterpilot</a>:</said><p>"Because they're going to raise rates anyway and you're going to pay more anyway, so why not pay less with CFL/LED?"<br><br>Purchase cost is less and <b>I don't like the light output.</b>  Or, it could be I don't like the govt mandating shit this shouldn't be worrying about.<br> </p></div>Ah, now you're talking. THAT is quite different from something being "pointless."<br><br>For most it is not pointless. The savings are real. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Subaru posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/635256" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=635256');">UHF</a>:</said><p>I just bought a 6" LED light fixture at Home Depot to replace a recessed fixture. Haven't gotten it installed yet, but I'm hoping it's better than the CFL bulb I have in there now. This isn't a "retrofit" or screw in bulb, it's an actual fixture made by Commercial Electric. I saw some retrofits with CREE LEDs in them, which might have been better.<br> </p></div>I got that one from home Depot the one with the Cree.. it used to be $50 each but I see now it's gone down to like $39.. I love it does not turn red when dimming.<br><small>--<br>It's <b>NOT</b> Ni-kon It's NE-KON!<br><br><br><br><br>LG is NOT Lifes Good It's Lucky Goldstar!<br><br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Fighterpilot posted : "Because they're going to raise rates anyway and you're going to pay more anyway, so why not pay less with CFL/LED?"<br><br>Purchase cost is less and I don't like the light output.  Or, it could be I don't like the govt mandating shit this shouldn't be worrying about.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[fifty nine posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/153280" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=153280');">Fighterpilot</a>:</said><p>I'll be purchasing good 'ol incandescents for some time.<br><br>No point in trying to save energy.  Public utility companies are guaranteed to turn a profit for their investors.  If they don't, they just raise rates.  Why would I want to save energy only for my bill to go up because of reduced usage?  I can buy a lot of incandescents for the price of one LED.<br> </p></div>Because they're going to raise rates anyway and you're going to pay more anyway, so why not pay less with CFL/LED?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Fighterpilot posted : I'll be purchasing good 'ol incandescents for some time.<br><br>No point in trying to save energy.  Public utility companies are guaranteed to turn a profit for their investors.  If they don't, they just raise rates.  Why would I want to save energy only for my bill to go up because of reduced usage?  I can buy a lot of incandescents for the price of one LED.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1800334" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1800334');">Spork</a>:</said><p>They retired several thousand MW of power already here and the rates are the same. Let's put opinions aside here and try to stick with some facts. Do you have any facts that support your claims? Right now most of the facts are against you. I'm from Missouri the "Show-me" state so can you "Show-me" the proof of your claim?<br> </p></div>With all of the debate here and elsewhere about coal-fired generation, what are your opinions on where near term and long term prices are headed?  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Jack_in_VA posted : <a href="http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-blogs/other/4234434/Guest-commentary--CFLs-and-their--issues-">EE TIMES</a><br><br><div class="bquote"><p>Guest commentary: CFLs and their "issues"<br>Bill Schweber<br>1/10/2012 4:53 PM EST<br>A newsletter reader responds with some thoughtful points about CFLs, reliability, and more<br><br>Editor's note: In a recent issue of the Power Management Designline newsletter, I asked about the turn-on/turn-off current of CFLs compared to incandescent bulbs&#151;since the AC-line switch is tested and rated for resistive loads, a non-resistive load may affect switch life. I also linked to a supposedly "helpful" guide to CFLs from the Consumer Federation of America (see here), which I felt was very one-sided and did not admit to any tradeoffs when using non-incandescent bulbs. (You don&#146;t receive the free newsletter? Sign-up details are below.)<br><br>A reader, Roger Watkins, provided this insightful response:<br><br>   "I too have some concerns (as do most informed EE's) with the ban on the incandescents.  My concerns are with the lies that have been told to Congress regarding lifetimes of the new technologies (CFL and especially LED), and the significant increase in toxic materials associated with the disposal of these short-lived cheaply made devices. <br><br>   "Although the lifetime of the LED devices may be rated at 40,000 to 100,000 hours at an appropriate temperature, just like we have all experienced with CFLs, the actual life of the device is generally much shorter due to higher temperature of operation of the device and due to the non-LED components in the assembly.  After disassembly of several failed CFL devices and some LED devices, we as a community should understand that the cheap manufacture of such devices will lead to serious pushback and disillusionment of our customers. <br><br>   "The use of aluminum capacitors in CFL and LED Edison-base devices should be avoided at all costs, and yet it seems that every CFL and LED device I have disassembled, and the photos of every such device I have seen postings of disassembly for, use cheap aluminum capacitors with low temperature ratings.  As consumers, most of us are aware that the CFL and LED Edison-base devices fail rapidly in closed fixtures, in outdoor use, in refrigerators, and in oven use. <br><br>   "The other 'dirty secret' not being discussed much is the dimming with life of LEDs, CFLs, and incandescents as well (as the glass gets tinted by tungsten on an older bulb).  The other issue not well understood by non-design types is the change in spectral content from sunlight and incandescent that is associated with LEDs and CFLs.<br><br>   "Regarding your point on the switch characteristics, generally a 5A resistive -rated switch is rated for about 2A for incandescent loads and about 0.5A for inductive loads, with each specific switch having slightly different ratios.  The reason for these large variations are the inductive load has issues with contact separation and stored energy arcing and welding contacts; the incandescent load has a high starting current due to low starting resistance of the filament (similar to capacitive loads but for a different reason); the resistive load has a very nicely behaved characteristic and the only issue is generally contact resistance and self-heating of the switch. <br><br>   "I am much less worried about the switch failures when converting from incandescents to CFL/LED's because 100W incandescent is generally replaced by less than 30W CFL and by less than 15W LED (with Cree XML or XPG LEDs or similar, again the use of non-specified and overstock cheap LEDs in Chinese manufactured equipment may have a big impact here and lead to even more disillusionment of our customers).  If one had a 2A incandescent switch, even an inductive load rating of 0.5A is more than adequate for the 30W CFL. <br><br>   "Please note that most of the LED schemes will require PFC and such PFC should make the load even less inductive or capacitive in its behavior.  I base the 100W equivalent values of CFL and LED lamps on the lumen output of the different types of lamps. <br><br>   "We are all aware that there is quite a bit of subjectivity here, and that use of non-specified components in the CFL or LED lamp circuitry, especially in the CFL or LED elements themselves, often makes the manufactured lumen output somewhat less than the designed and prototyped lumen output.<br><br>   "By the way, we both agree on the advocacy issue for the CFA report.  As is typical of such a publication, they have accepted the initial brightness figure for the CFL to compute the energy savings, and the 10× figure for bulb life (both unreasonable based on experience).  They are spouting nonsense that will give consumers ridiculous expectations on the LED bulbs' lifetimes when consumers are being sold LED assemblies built with cheap aluminum electrolytic capacitors."</p></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Spork posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1416509" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1416509');">Zach 58</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1815538" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1815538');">Critsmcgee</a>:</said><p>In the last 6 years the rate has dropped. This current billing rate is the first increase in 6 years and it's still well below the rate of 6 years ago.<br><br>Effective Dates 	Regular Residential (R-1)<br>11/1/11 - 4/30/12 	8.265Â¢/kWh<br>5/1/11 - 10/31/11 	7.282Â¢/kWh<br>11/1/10 - 4/30/11 	8.083Â¢/kWh<br>5/1/10 - 10/31/10 	8.110Â¢/kWh<br>1/1/10 - 4/30/10 	        8.828Â¢/kWh<br>11/1/09 - 12/31/09 	8.639Â¢/kWh<br>5/1/09 - 10/31/09 	9.714Â¢/kWh<br>11/1/08 - 4/30/09 	12.660Â¢/kWh<br>5/1/08 - 10/31/08 	11.790Â¢/kWh<br>11/1/07 - 4/30/08 	10.919Â¢/kWh<br>5/1/07 - 10/31/07 	10.215Â¢/kWh<br>11/1/06 - 4/30/07 	11.672Â¢/kWh<br>5/1/06 - 10/31/06 	9.693Â¢/kWh <br>11/1/05 - 4/30/06 	10.718Â¢/kWh<br><br>Any other theories?<br> </p></div>Yea, kind of looks like the rates are following the overall economy.  Don't worry though, once they 'retire' several thousand MW of base-load capacity without any real plan to replace it, the rate will bounce back.  <br> </p></div>They retired several thousand MW of power already here and the rates are the same. Let's put opinions aside here and try to stick with some facts. Do you have any facts that support your claims? Right now most of the facts are against you. I'm from Missouri the "Show-me" state so can you "Show-me" the proof of your claim?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[SparkChaser posted : Don't have a list of past rates as I'm more concerned with the future. Our rates are going up. The big hitter for people like me that were getting residential heating rates. With this discontinued,  the heating season bill will go up about 50%. The overall yearly bill about 20%.<br><br>Most of my electricity comes from nuclear but the newest plant is about 30 years old. Most are licensed to operate until 2040 ish. That's past my expiration date so someone else can worry about that. :p<br><small>--<br>--<br>--<br>"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." - Aldous Huxley <br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Zach 58 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1815538" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1815538');">Critsmcgee</a>:</said><p>In the last 6 years the rate has dropped. This current billing rate is the first increase in 6 years and it's still well below the rate of 6 years ago.<br><br>Effective Dates 	Regular Residential (R-1)<br>11/1/11 - 4/30/12 	8.265¢/kWh<br>5/1/11 - 10/31/11 	7.282¢/kWh<br>11/1/10 - 4/30/11 	8.083¢/kWh<br>5/1/10 - 10/31/10 	8.110¢/kWh<br>1/1/10 - 4/30/10 	        8.828¢/kWh<br>11/1/09 - 12/31/09 	8.639¢/kWh<br>5/1/09 - 10/31/09 	9.714¢/kWh<br>11/1/08 - 4/30/09 	12.660¢/kWh<br>5/1/08 - 10/31/08 	11.790¢/kWh<br>11/1/07 - 4/30/08 	10.919¢/kWh<br>5/1/07 - 10/31/07 	10.215¢/kWh<br>11/1/06 - 4/30/07 	11.672¢/kWh<br>5/1/06 - 10/31/06 	9.693¢/kWh <br>11/1/05 - 4/30/06 	10.718¢/kWh<br><br>Any other theories?<br> </p></div>Yea, kind of looks like the rates are following the overall economy.  Don't worry though, once they 'retire' several thousand MW of base-load capacity without any real plan to replace it, the rate will bounce back.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Critsmcgee posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1163016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1163016');">HarryH3</a>:</said><p>You'll get to pay for it in the next rate increase.  :(  The utility will go to the public utilities commission and show how their costs have increased.  It is not in the best interest of anyone for the utility to go bankrupt, so the rate increase will be approved and everyone will pay a little bit more.<br> </p></div>In the last 6 years the rate has dropped. This current billing rate is the first increase in 6 years and it's still well below the rate of 6 years ago.<br><br>Effective Dates 	Regular Residential (R-1)<br>11/1/11 - 4/30/12 	8.265¢/kWh<br>5/1/11 - 10/31/11 	7.282¢/kWh<br>11/1/10 - 4/30/11 	8.083¢/kWh<br>5/1/10 - 10/31/10 	8.110¢/kWh<br>1/1/10 - 4/30/10 	        8.828¢/kWh<br>11/1/09 - 12/31/09 	8.639¢/kWh<br>5/1/09 - 10/31/09 	9.714¢/kWh<br>11/1/08 - 4/30/09 	12.660¢/kWh<br>5/1/08 - 10/31/08 	11.790¢/kWh<br>11/1/07 - 4/30/08 	10.919¢/kWh<br>5/1/07 - 10/31/07 	10.215¢/kWh<br>11/1/06 - 4/30/07 	11.672¢/kWh<br>5/1/06 - 10/31/06 	9.693¢/kWh <br>11/1/05 - 4/30/06 	10.718¢/kWh<br><br>Any other theories?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[fifty nine posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1723898" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1723898');">49528867</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1163016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1163016');">HarryH3</a>:</said><p>It is not in the best interest of anyone for the utility to go bankrupt, so the rate increase will be approved and everyone will pay a little bit more. </p></div>And in the end, those who do not pay will get a free ride on the backs of those who do.<br><br>Wayne<br> </p></div>How do you figure? In 2012 we are seeing the first rate increase in more than 10 years and it is less than 1c per kwh. The reason is the increased price of electricity on the open market which is driven by increases in fossil fuel costs.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[49528867 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1163016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1163016');">HarryH3</a>:</said><p>It is not in the best interest of anyone for the utility to go bankrupt, so the rate increase will be approved and everyone will pay a little bit more. </p></div>And in the end, those who do not pay will get a free ride on the backs of those who do.<br><br>Wayne<br><small>--<br>"It is sobering to reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence."  - Charles A. Beard</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[HarryH3 posted : You'll get to pay for it in the next rate increase.  :(  The utility will go to the public utilities commission and show how their costs have increased.  It is not in the best interest of anyone for the utility to go bankrupt, so the rate increase will be approved and everyone will pay a little bit more.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Spork posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1723898" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1723898');">49528867</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/693768" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=693768');">fifty nine</a>:</said><p>It's just bad press if they go around disconnecting poor people who can't pay their electric bill due to unemployment or illness. </p></div>And those who do pay get to pick up the slack.<br><br>Wayne <br> </p></div>How do that work? Been paying approximately the same on electric annually for the last 3 years in a row now. Foreclosures going up and unemployment rising so more people getting a pass yet I'm not paying for it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[49528867 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/693768" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=693768');">fifty nine</a>:</said><p>It's just bad press if they go around disconnecting poor people who can't pay their electric bill due to unemployment or illness. </p></div>And those who do pay get to pick up the slack.<br><br>Wayne <br><small>--<br>"It is sobering to reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence."  - Charles A. Beard</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Critsmcgee posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/693768" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=693768');">fifty nine</a>:</said><p>Utilities are not heartless. They go above and beyond what the law prescribes. It's just bad press if they go around disconnecting poor people who can't pay their electric bill due to unemployment or illness.<br> </p></div>It's the same here.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[leibold posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/655722" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=655722');">leibold</a>:</said><p>The 60W equivalent Philips with remote phosphor (the ones that look yellow when off) seem to be more promising.<br> </p></div>With all that talk about LED bulbs (and a coupon from the Philips website) I went and got some of those. The light distribution is much better but total light output still seems to be weaker then equivalent CFL bulbs.<br><small>--<br>Got some spare cpu cycles ? Join <A HREF="/forum/helix"> Team Helix </a> or <A HREF="/forum/seti"> Team Starfire</a>!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[itguy05 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/693768" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=693768');">fifty nine</a>:</said><p>I replaced one last year that came with the house. From what I can tell it was put there when the house was built (1998). They do last a very long time. </p></div>Yeah - it seems like the older ones last longer though.  I've got some GE Biax CFL's that were "industrial" that are still going.  I think I bought them either when we were in our apartment (1998-2000) or when we moved into the house (2000).<br><br>I think we have some Philips in our bathroom that we put there when we remodeled it in 2005.<br><br>We must be lucky as I don't replace light bulbs all that often! But when I do I guess I go all out! :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Hiker posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1506715" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1506715');">Jack_in_VA</a>:</said><p>OT<br> </p></div>Well, it's not as if the user who cannot pay gets off scott free.  They'll always have to pay what they owe, and their credit rating is affected.  Being poor and owing money is not a good place to be.<br><small>--<br>"The braggart's pompous tongue Is hated most by Zeus And seeing them advance superb In clank of gold, he struck their first Man down with fire before he yelled Triumph from the walls" - Antigone.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[fifty nine posted : Utilities are not heartless. They go above and beyond what the law prescribes. It's just bad press if they go around disconnecting poor people who can't pay their electric bill due to unemployment or illness.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:04:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: What do you think about LED light bulbs</title>
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<description><![CDATA[Jack_in_VA posted : OT]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:17:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: What do you think about LED light bulbs</title>
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<description><![CDATA[fifty nine posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1220495" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1220495');">itguy05</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1098085" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1098085');">Trimline</a>:</said><p>Agreed.  On a side note, I just changed out a front porch CFL.  I always date the bulbs with a perma-marker.  This one was dated 12-22-2004.  Now that's a pretty good life - it runs from dusk till dawn. </p></div>I checked on the CFL we have in our kitchen recessed fixture over the sink the other day.  Was dated 2005 and it's run pretty much from 5-11pm every day, some days 8am to 11pm.  I would have put it back if it didn't separate on me.  The base came apart exposing the electronics.  Since we leave it on so much and often when we are not at home I replaced it with the CREE PAR30 bulb + trim from Home Depot.  Works absolutely wonderful and we're probably saving a few $0.01's to boot.<br><br>I don't want to know what I've spent on lightbulbs this past month. :)<br> </p></div>I replaced one last year that came with the house. From what I can tell it was put there when the house was built (1998). They do last a very long time.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:00:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: What do you think about LED light bulbs</title>
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<description><![CDATA[fifty nine posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1723898" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1723898');">49528867</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1800334" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1800334');">Spork</a>:</said><p>FYI: You being a FL person and me being a FL person as well I know you don't know most cold weather states have LAWS that prohibit utilities from being turned off regardless of anything. </p></div>Never assume what another per knows or doesn't know.<br><br><div class="bquote"><p>You can ignore paying your power bill for 2-3 months and run it up as much as you want. They can't turn it off, period. </p></div>Then come summer no service..<br><br>Now that is what I call a restriction.<br><br>Wayne<br> </p></div>It's worse than that. If you're low income they can't disconnect you at all. They have to negotiate with you, budget billing etc and you can even get assistance to pay your winter heating bills.<br><br>I don't think you guys realize how essential electricity is. We can't just go around turning it off willy nilly. Even the utilities will disconnect you only if you are 60 days past due, and for the first offense they usually put a tag on your door instead of just yanking your service.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:58:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: What do you think about LED light bulbs</title>
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<description><![CDATA[itguy05 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1098085" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1098085');">Trimline</a>:</said><p>Agreed.  On a side note, I just changed out a front porch CFL.  I always date the bulbs with a perma-marker.  This one was dated 12-22-2004.  Now that's a pretty good life - it runs from dusk till dawn. </p></div>I checked on the CFL we have in our kitchen recessed fixture over the sink the other day.  Was dated 2005 and it's run pretty much from 5-11pm every day, some days 8am to 11pm.  I would have put it back if it didn't separate on me.  The base came apart exposing the electronics.  Since we leave it on so much and often when we are not at home I replaced it with the CREE PAR30 bulb + trim from Home Depot.  Works absolutely wonderful and we're probably saving a few $0.01's to boot.<br><br>I don't want to know what I've spent on lightbulbs this past month. :)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:56:46 EDT</pubDate>
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