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Os

join:2011-01-26
US
Reviews:
·Comcast

2 recommendations

Not VZ, but someone else?

Fiber is the future. And short-sighted money grabs are what the legacy telcos and cablecos have sought out.

While DOCSIS 3.0 is very capable, I think the market will be there for FTTH and if Verizon/AT&T/Comcast aren't interested in bringing it, they run the risk of being displaced out of the market by someone else.

Companies have done this for years. Think short-term, lose long-term. This is why always being pressured by Wall Street has sunk a lot of companies. They want to milk existing industries for all they're worth, but never invest in what's new. Imagine if Sears got into discounting, Kodak into digital photography, Blockbuster came up with streaming first. Companies that have been deemed irrelevant by a changing world could have embedded themselves for future generations.

The only difference is that telcos and cablecos have the advantage of government largely colluding to protect them. That's why some of these things are so alarming in this industry.


JRW2
R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Ziggy, Max and Zen.
Premium
join:2004-12-20
La La Land
kudos:5
Reviews:
·Optimum Online

1 recommendation

said by Os:

Fiber is the future.

YEP!

Companies have done this for years. Think short-term, lose long-term. This is why always being pressured by Wall Street has sunk a lot of companies. They want to milk existing industries for all they're worth, but never invest in what's new.

This will cost Verizon more than they hope to save.

BTW, this is the mentality that is KILLING this country...
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4
reply to Os
said by Os:

While DOCSIS 3.0 is very capable,

I don't see any cable provider even D3 ones offering 35mbps UPLOAD!
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fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:2
said by dvd536:

said by Os:

While DOCSIS 3.0 is very capable,

I don't see any cable provider even D3 ones offering 35mbps UPLOAD!

The average home user doesn't need more than 1Mbps upload, if that much.

power users can get by with 10 or 15Mbps.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

3 recommendations

said by fifty nine:

The average home user doesn't need more than 1Mbps upload, if that much.

power users can get by with 10 or 15Mbps.

and 640k is enough for everyone. Get real corporate shill.


cypherstream
Premium,MVM
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
kudos:3
reply to fifty nine
I guess you never had to upload batches of pictures or home videos to family members on photo / video sharing sites, or heck even facebook.

Today's high res cameras output some pretty sizeable files.


fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:2
said by cypherstream:

I guess you never had to upload batches of pictures or home videos to family members on photo / video sharing sites, or heck even facebook.

Today's high res cameras output some pretty sizeable files.

I do, quite often in fact. Our EOS 5D MkII produces sizable files with its 25 megapixels, as do the other DSLR bodies we use in our studio.

But I doubt that people are uploading hundreds of RAW files from a $2500 camera. Most people are uploading JPEGs from small consumer cameras and smartphones and the last time I uploaded to facebook and photo printing services their app didn't take much time at all. I only have 5Mbps upload. I uploaded low res to print 5x7s and the prints from full, high res files were indistinguishable from those produced with low res uploads.

The average home user needs more download, as the average home user is more of a consumer of content rather than a producer. And with new compression technology even full HD video can be transmitted over low bandwidth connections with little degradation in quality.


cypherstream
Premium,MVM
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
kudos:3
said by fifty nine:

. I only have 5Mbps upload. I uploaded low res to print 5x7s and the prints from full, high res files were indistinguishable from those produced with low res uploads.

The average home user needs more download, as the average home user is more of a consumer of content rather than a producer. And with new compression technology even full HD video can be transmitted over low bandwidth connections with little degradation in quality.

Your right there. I guess I'm just bitter with a 1mbps upload from Service Electric. That's nice you get 5mbps. I'd have to DOUBLE my monthly bill to upgrade to 5mbps upload. (In excess of $100 a month).


JRW2
R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Ziggy, Max and Zen.
Premium
join:2004-12-20
La La Land
kudos:5
Reviews:
·Optimum Online
reply to fifty nine
said by fifty nine:

The average home user doesn't need more than 1Mbps upload, if that much.

How do you come up with that determination??

I love when people throw around numbers like this.

You do realize that demands for MORE upload bandwidth is one of the chief complaints among users...
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34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
said by JRW2:

How do you come up with that determination??

I love when people throw around numbers like this.

You do realize that demands for MORE upload bandwidth is one of the chief complaints among users...

Don't expect fifty nine to get it at all.


JRW2
R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Ziggy, Max and Zen.
Premium
join:2004-12-20
La La Land
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Reviews:
·Optimum Online
said by 34764170:

Don't expect fifty nine to get it at all.

I don't, there are too many people who have a myopic view on many subjects.
In this case many people feel that if they don't have any need for it, then no one else does either.
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Politics is a disease, we need a cure!
In constant search for intelligent life on Earth!


Zero

join:2009-07-01
Collegeville, PA

1 recommendation

reply to fifty nine
The phrase "if you build it they will come" comes to mind. If you build a network and offer speeds in excess of what people need and want today, innovation will come and find uses for it.

It wasn't long ago that the average home user didn't have a home network and was streaming Netflix, but that's changed today thanks to the advances in technology.

Of course we could have "gotten by" with dial up, 1 PC in the house, and cell phones with voice only and no touchscreens...


miataman

join:2010-10-27
Chelmsford, MA
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

1 edit
reply to fifty nine

said by fifty nine:over low bandwidth connections with little degradation in quality.


A: "little" is subjective.
B: I prefer NO degradation..
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fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:2
said by miataman:

said by fifty nine:over low bandwidth connections with little degradation in quality.


A: "little" is subjective.
B: I prefer NO degradation..

Then you can pay for a commercial connection if your needs are that critical.


fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:2
reply to JRW2
said by JRW2:

How do you come up with that determination??

I love when people throw around numbers like this.

You do realize that demands for MORE upload bandwidth is one of the chief complaints among users...

Among which users? Maybe the techno geeks here but not the general population.


fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:2
reply to Zero
Except that the average home broadband connection is designed primarily for content consumption.

I think some of you have the idea that you are supposed to be able to run things like servers on a residential connection. That would be pretty much the only scenario where you need constantly fast high upload.

Even online backup doesn't need a fast upload connection. You're not doing full backups every night.


JRW2
R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Ziggy, Max and Zen.
Premium
join:2004-12-20
La La Land
kudos:5
Reviews:
·Optimum Online
reply to fifty nine
said by fifty nine:

Among which users? Maybe the techno geeks here but not the general population.

In my job I deal with many people who are NOT techno-Geeks, and more than three quarters of them complain about how long it takes to upload things...

That is several hundred people.....
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Politics is a disease, we need a cure!
In constant search for intelligent life on Earth!

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
said by JRW2:

In my job I deal with many people who are NOT techno-Geeks, and more than three quarters of them complain about how long it takes to upload things...

That is several hundred people.....

See. I told you he wouldn't get it. He's stuck in his lala land.

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to fifty nine
iPhone 4S can pump out a gig in a few minutes. Throw that on YouTube, and you've got a use for that upload. Add online backup and Dropbox, and that's a lot of data being moved.


JRW2
R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Ziggy, Max and Zen.
Premium
join:2004-12-20
La La Land
kudos:5
Reviews:
·Optimum Online

1 recommendation

said by BiggA:

iPhone 4S can pump out a gig in a few minutes. Throw that on YouTube, and you've got a use for that upload. Add online backup and Dropbox, and that's a lot of data being moved.

Add another user or three, and see how much upload gets used in "normal" activities.
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Politics is a disease, we need a cure!
In constant search for intelligent life on Earth!

kxrm

join:2002-07-18
Fort Worth, TX
reply to fifty nine
said by fifty nine:

said by cypherstream:

I guess you never had to upload batches of pictures or home videos to family members on photo / video sharing sites, or heck even facebook.

Today's high res cameras output some pretty sizeable files.

I do, quite often in fact. Our EOS 5D MkII produces sizable files with its 25 megapixels, as do the other DSLR bodies we use in our studio.

But I doubt that people are uploading hundreds of RAW files from a $2500 camera. Most people are uploading JPEGs from small consumer cameras and smartphones and the last time I uploaded to facebook and photo printing services their app didn't take much time at all. I only have 5Mbps upload. I uploaded low res to print 5x7s and the prints from full, high res files were indistinguishable from those produced with low res uploads.

The average home user needs more download, as the average home user is more of a consumer of content rather than a producer. And with new compression technology even full HD video can be transmitted over low bandwidth connections with little degradation in quality.

Maybe I am nuts but I absolutely enjoy my 35mbit FIOS service. The upload is a HUGE selling point for me. I can essentially setup services and save large amounts of cash on dedicated systems.
Expand your moderator at work

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to JRW2

Re: Not VZ, but someone else?

Yup.


tl1018

@bellatlantic.COM
reply to JRW2
Not really they are going to be able to push speed thru wireless that will be compariable to what the average person would ever need


JRW2
R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Ziggy, Max and Zen.
Premium
join:2004-12-20
La La Land
kudos:5
Reviews:
·Optimum Online

1 edit
said by tl1018 :

Not really they are going to be able to push speed thru wireless that will be comparable to what the average person would ever need

Different people have different needs, so generic statements like that are meaningless..

Secondly, I have NEVER had a wireless signal that was stable, and in many cases the signal was so poor I couldn't hit top speeds...
I don't see it improving anytime soon.
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Politics is a disease, we need a cure!
In constant search for intelligent life on Earth!

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
Wireless will always have less bandwidth and reliability than wired, but for outlying areas that have no good wired connectivity, LTE could be great. However, we've heard that Wifi and then WiMAX were going to serve these areas, and so far they haven't. Hopefully it changes this time around.