 hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
kudos:4 | reply to Steve Mehs
Re: TWC/MSG Update? said by Steve Mehs:Maybe if Time Warner was paying their fair share for MSG for the past few years, MSG would be able to afford to do more in the way of post game shows.
They didn't mention that in their first quarter report. MSG media appears to prop up the other pieces of their business which all made a loss.
»www.themadisonsquaregardencompan···-quarter
MSG Media consists of the MSG Networks (MSG, MSG Plus, MSG HD and MSG Plus HD) regional sports networks and the Fuse Networks (Fuse and Fuse HD), a national television network dedicated to music.
For the fiscal 2012 first quarter, MSG Media revenues of $138.6 million rose 3.9%, as compared to the prior year period. Affiliate fee revenue increased $4.5 million, as compared to the prior year period, primarily attributable to higher affiliation rates, with the overall increase being significantly offset by the impact of the previously disclosed expiration of certain affiliation agreements. Advertising revenue increased $1.2 million, as compared to the prior year quarter. AOCF of $63.8 million increased 14.6% and operating income of $57.2 million increased 13.7%, both as compared to the prior year period. The increase in AOCF and operating income primarily reflects higher affiliate fee and advertising revenues and, to a lesser extent, lower selling, general and administrative expenses.
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 Elyria
join:2011-10-12
Elyria, OH | reply to Racerbob
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You’re going to side with your employer, but it’s pretty clear Time Warner is the one at fault. They’ve been paying the same rate for years, and now that MSG want to be fairly compensated for what they provide Time Warner doesn’t want to pay and took away MSG from sports fans.
Anyway enough with the financials, so Hob, you will defend your employer every time I mention them being at fault and being cheap, but you don’t defend them when it comes to the picture quality of the Buffalo Sabres feed of MSG HD, why is that? You’ve seen other examples of HD hockey on Time Warner, you’ve watched the Buffalo Sabres in HD on other sources I assume since it would be a shame not to since TW is most likely footing the bill for your Fios TV service. What is your honest opinion of the quality the Sabres in HD on Time Warner?
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hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
kudos:4 | I have not watched a game on Direct TV but I have not seen any significant difference between FIOS and Time Warner. I certainly never experienced what you describe on either.
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| Did TW Buffalo and TW Rochester receive the exact same feed of the Sabres in HD? I’m not talking about MSG HD, I’m talking specifically the Sabres HD what was on channels 700 in Buff and 1092 in Roc. Folks in the Rochester service area, know what I'm talking about and experienced it every single game. While I know you have nothing to do with Rochester and may not have seen what we saw on channel 1092, I find it hard to believe you have not at some point over the past three years or so heard about how awful MSG HD was.
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 RacerbobPremium
join:2001-06-24
Webster, NY | I see better picture quality on D* than I did watching MSG Sabres games on TW Cable. But I see better picture quality on other channels also.
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hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
kudos:4 | reply to Steve Mehs
said by Steve Mehs:Did TW Buffalo and TW Rochester receive the exact same feed of the Sabres in HD? I’m not talking about MSG HD, I’m talking specifically the Sabres HD what was on channels 700 in Buff and 1092 in Roc. Folks in the Rochester service area, know what I'm talking about and experienced it every single game. While I know you have nothing to do with Rochester and may not have seen what we saw on channel 1092, I find it hard to believe you have not at some point over the past three years or so heard about how awful MSG HD was.
I dont know all the technical details but yes what we were watching in Buffalo was being delivered to the other North East areas. While I heard of audio issue complaints and other single customer issues I have never seen a trend of complaints over picture quality.
Hob
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| Who knows what is next according to the Buffalo News article of not being carried.
»www.buffalonews.com/city/article722499.ece |
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hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
kudos:4 | Or which company it may affect.
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| Looks as if a law needs to be passed in New York State to force an agreement. No matter what happens, the customer always PAYS for the increase. »www.wgrz.com/news/article/154352···e-a-Deal |
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DrDrew
join:2009-01-28
Apple Valley, CA
kudos:6 | said by Rick4769 : No matter what happens, the customer always PAYS for the increase.
The questions are: Which customers, how much, and what channels do they end up with? |
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Binding arbitration when there is a dead lock sounds very resonable. I would be in favor of ala carte channels, I don't watch 100's. |
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hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
kudos:4 | "I would be in favor of ala carte channels"
Would you be prepared to pay the REAL ala carte price?
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I would like to see the cost of both ways to have a choice. The Sabres made a mistake signing up with MSG. Now we have to subsidize expensive NY city teams. |
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| said by independent:I would like to see the cost of both ways to have a choice. The Sabres made a mistake signing up with MSG. Now we have to subsidize expensive NY city teams.
Ala Carte would be reasonable because the market would set the price. Channels would be more than the bundled rates, but not nearly as high as folks like Hob want you to believe. Add to the fact that bundles would still be there for people that wanted to sub as they do now. Average price per channel would be a buck to a few bucks a month with the exception of the sports networks and those might taper off once people see/show what they would have to pay and choose to do without. Ala Carte would have to be regulated to some extent as any other utility. Look at the mess deregulation gave us! |
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hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
kudos:4 | "Average price per channel would be a buck to a few bucks a month with the exception of the sports networks and those might taper off once people see/show what they would have to pay and choose to do without."
Ok Lets say Time Warner cable carries MSG on the Standard Tier and has 3 million Subscribers with that level of service. Lets say the cost to Time Warner of that channel is $4. Time Warner would be paying MSG $12 Million a month, $144 Million a year.
Lets now move MSG into a sports tier and only a million people subscribe. Now the income to MSG is going to be 4 million a month, 48 million a year if it is kept at the same price.
So now MSG are out $96 Million bucks, where do you think that money is going to come from?
Hob
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| raise the price of the sports tier. |
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hobgoblinSortof AgoblinPremium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
kudos:4 | said by mikedz4:raise the price of the sports tier.
Which was exactly my point! In an ala carte world every channel would probably lose subscriber income, the only way for them to survive would be to increase the price or they would go out of business. People look at the cost in a package and assume that would be the same price ala carte.
Hob
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A cable company would lose a great deal of money if I had ala carte! Unlike many posters, I could care less about sports channels, but need Style and HGTV. |
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DrDrew
join:2009-01-28
Apple Valley, CA
kudos:6 | said by Night0wl:I could care less about sports channels, but need Style and HGTV.
Would those channels even survive if they were only paid for by the people who wanted them?
How many channels would die if they had to support themselves "ala carte" vs. in a big tier of channels?
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