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lazyfox2

join:2004-05-26
Kingston, ON

Dcx3400?

Just noticed recently that FS was selling the Motorola DCX3400 - 500 GB HD PVR for $149, while the Cogeco equivalent - Pace - was also 'on sale' for $449.

Does anyone know if the DCX3400 would work with Cogeco TV?

And if not, how the heck can Cogeco get away with this?


DavidT
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join:2006-09-01
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Will it work on Cogeco? No.

How can they get away with this? Because nobody is stopping them.



Gone
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Technically it should work on Cogeco. Whether they're willing to activate it is a whole other story, though.

A cup of coffee and a few timbits tells me that Shaw is selling that box for cheap as a loss leader, though.



Matty

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reply to lazyfox2
I recently purchased a Motorola DCX3400 (320GB) off ebay and it has yet to arrive. Will it absolutely not work with Cogeco? :S

A Best Buy customer claims to have activated a Shaw 500GB DCX3400:

»www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/mot···dualt-en

Easy installation with Cogeco-Shaw Motorola 3400 | January 07,2011
by Scott Dougherty | Vineland, Ontario

I was a little worried that this great SHAW HDPVR would not be compatible with Cogeco Cable. However with a little research on the Cogeco website, they stated most Motorola Digital boxes are compatible. It has everything we need, and with the 500GB hard drive, gives us lots of room to build our library.

If you not had an HDPVR before, you will find features like pausing live TV, rewinding live TV, awesome.
Touch Screen Front operation, Channel or Time option for front display.

5 STARS



chdude3

join:2003-07-29
Oakville, ON

reply to lazyfox2
I'd love to hear if this does work out or not. I've been pining for a larger drive than the 160gig we have in the 6416, but no way am I willing to pay Cogeco's asking price for the Pace boxes.



Gone
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reply to lazyfox2
Had I known this was possible I would have bought this for my father-in-law for Christmas rather than the DC550D. As I said technically there is no reason Cogeco shouldn't be able to activate it as they use the same back-end platform, but who knows what kind of hassle you'd run into trying to activate it. Same deal with CableCards. Some people have been able to get them activated no sweat, others get chased away the moment they mention the word on the phone. No consistency.

The good thing at least is that Future Shop has a spectacular return policy. I'd be tempted to order one and try it out just to see what happens, because there's no risk if it doesn't as you can just return it for a full refund.



chdude3

join:2003-07-29
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reply to lazyfox2
Anyone have firsthand info on using a 3400 with Cogeco? Did your box arrive, Matty?



Matty

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It has arrived and I called Cogeco Tech Support to activate it. I spoke with 3 people, the final person being a Supervisor told me that I should have verified with them before buying the box as he absolutely refuses to activate it.

This fellow (Ray) was very firm that Cogeco only activates models in their system because of reliability issues. I am now trying to sell it and perhaps find a DCT6416 or a Pace RNG200 DVR.

I thought $145 was a steal for a 320GB HD DVR, oh well



Gone
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Was it a Shaw DCX3400? There are different versions of the Motorola platform with some compatibility quirks between them. I don't remember the details, but with the older boxes there used to be a way you could tell by the model number or something like that, and there were certain DCT2100s that were compatible with Cogeco and others we not.

Now having said that, the problem with Cogeco is that you'll get a different answer from different people. Saying that they only activate models in their system is a load of bullshit, because one can head over to Digital Home to see a whole slew of people using CableCards and other non-Cogeco devices with the service. You'll get one person who is totally cool with activating a box that isn't in their system, then you'll get someone else who swears up and down that Cogeco doesn't do that, has never done that and you're on crack for thinking that they ever would. I'm almost tempted to tell you to keep calling, because I get the feeling you'll eventually find someone willing to do it despite getting three who say they won't.

Another thing you can try is lying and saying it's a DCT6414. Worth a shot, you've got nothing to lose at this point unless they documented your multiple attempts to activate the box in the customer notes.



Matty

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This DCX3400 was originally from a Comcast user in Michigan, it seems to be running the latest firmware and software versions that Motorola pumps out. Will the DCT6414 software/firmware work the same with it?

This box loads up fine and seems very responsive, the person I spoke with wouldn't even take the mac numbers to try it.

I'm also on Digital Home Canada and would love to know who that Best Buy Customer spoke to!

I'll try calling in again soon, I just want HD in my bedroom!



Gone
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I would have just told them it was a 6416 and go from there. What they have on file at Cogeco's end shouldn't have any bearing on the firmware, the box will only download what firmware is available for it.



DavidT
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said by Gone:

I would have just told them it was a 6416 and go from there. What they have on file at Cogeco's end shouldn't have any bearing on the firmware, the box will only download what firmware is available for it.

I was going to suggest the same. Call again and don't tell them it's a DCX3400. Say it's a DCX700 or something.


Matty

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I called in and claimed I have a 6416 as it has DVR privileges, maybe the DCX700 has a better provisioning interface in common with the DCX3400?

My receiver is still not showing up at all on their system but seems to have up to date software/firmware:

S/W Ver: 78.53 - A28p0-4.1005.r-8
Firmware: 22.65

Does the M-Card inside of it factor into how to "speaks" with the cable provider?


exseven
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its possible that the OOB frequency is set onto a different channel than what cogeco uses, causing activations and what not to not go through.



Gone
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said by exseven:

its possible that the OOB frequency is set onto a different channel than what cogeco uses, causing activations and what not to not go through.

Yeah, I didn't know the details but that's what I was talking about earlier with how two of the same model box from different cable companies might not work, though for all intents and purposes Shaw and Cogeco seem to use the same stuff. The fact this box is from Comcast changes everything.


nitzguy
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reply to exseven

said by exseven:

its possible that the OOB frequency is set onto a different channel than what cogeco uses, causing activations and what not to not go through.

Its possible. I learned way too much about OOB with my own experiences...but I believe after the DCT2000 that the OOB was agile (what motorola calls an Agile OOB) and the box could scan through all the potential frequencies. Perhaps on these other boxes now they are again provider/OOB frequency specific? It could explain why there's an issue.

Looking at the SW Ver and Firmware won't help you determine the OOB that the box may use. It had to do with the model number, example 2224/1161 6 meaning it had an agile oob and would work with any provider.

Certain Shaw (Mountain cable) DCT2000's won't activate on Cogeco because MC and Cogeco use different OOB frequencies to communicate. Some boxes that MC had were agile and some were not....

So while on the surface each box is the same, it would be an interesting way to "lock out" these things. I know this isn't a DCT2000 but that would be the only reason why it might not activate...being an employee at the time I can vouch my story to be true, because it happenned, I didn't have any 'roadblocks' thrown at me, they said, do what you want, if you fry your own box its your problem.

It could also be that the OOB is damaged on these models and that's why you can never get them to activate...I never thought of that till just now....seems odd, but I guess in electronics anything is possible.


Gone
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said by nitzguy:

So while on the surface each box is the same, it would be an interesting way to "lock out" these things. I know this isn't a DCT2000 but that would be the only reason why it might not activate...being an employee at the time I can vouch my story to be true, because it happenned, I didn't have any 'roadblocks' thrown at me, they said, do what you want, if you fry your own box its your problem.

Yeah other people have mentioned this, how there were certain models that would activate and certain ones that would not. Shaw might be giving out agile OOB DCX3400s because of the amalgamation of cable systems they have to deal with (e.g. Old Mountain, systems in Northern Ontario, the core BC/Alberta market etc) and that's why someone was able to buy one from Future Shop and have it work on Cogeco, whereas with Comcast their boxes may use a fixed OOB that might be different from Cogeco and in that case you're SOL.


Matty

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I'm able to log in to the Diagnostics page and see my OOB frequency is set to 104.20 MHz and I would love to figure out how to manually change this!

EDIT: On the OOB frequency page I hit Menu on the receiver and was able to adjust the frequency to 72.75MHz (I think, which ended up giving me the correct time)

Since then I did a reboot and it's now locked on channel 0. I went into my Cogeco account and reprocessed it for activation, my fingers are crossed!



nitzguy
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said by Matty:

I'm able to log in to the Diagnostics page and see my OOB frequency is set to 104.20 MHz and I would love to figure out how to manually change this!

EDIT: On the OOB frequency page I hit Menu on the receiver and was able to adjust the frequency to 72.75MHz (I think, which ended up giving me the correct time)

Since then I did a reboot and it's now locked on channel 0. I went into my Cogeco account and reprocessed it for activation, my fingers are crossed!

Sounds right...looks like you may have made progress Matty. If it gave you the correct time then its able to communicate with the DAC. 72.75mhz sounds right, I believe Mountaincable at the time was 75.25mhz...not sure if this is still accurate.

Good to know that you can change it...I never knew it was possible...also never saw any documentation that indicated it could be changed, good find! Did you just randomly hit buttons in frustration till it did something? Just curious as that's what I would have been trying to do myself.

Hope it works out, if you can report back it'd probably be beneficial to a ton of people who have been having these activation issues here.


Matty

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This box sure is frustrating me, I had the clock working on the old firmware but did a "cold boot" by plugging in the AC Power while pressing the Menu button. Since then it has been locked onto 72.25MHz however there is another frequency it's trying to find and keeps scanning a broad range as seen by 753MHz in the screen shot.

nitz... Changing the frequency to 72.25 from 104.2 was pretty much trial and error by pressing buttons on the device. I wish there was more documentation for the DCX3400 as there is plenty for the DCT6xxx series.

I have tried numerous hard resets by plugging in the AC Power and holding a combination of buttons along with the online Cogeco Digital Equipment Activation site.

Anyone got ideas?

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