| Copper Phone Lines Redundant? I switched to cable internet/phone, my phone line is now unused. Every house is wired, that seems like a terrible waste of resources. Wouldn’t it be good if other companies took over the unused phone network to provide competitive internet & phone service? |
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| If you were an AT&T telephone subscriber, than they have right to or not to install Uverse as competition to cable services. Uverse may or may not use existing telephone wiring. If you subscribed to non AT&T telephone service, that entity had the right to install a VDSL system of their own or to do nothing. The potential competitor is not obligated to become an actual competitor. |
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they already do,at least in places.socket is just one. |
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you own everything beyond the NID. When you say take over the unused phone network be more specific. |
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| It looks like the internet has made old-fashioned telephony redundant.
I have a useless phone plug in every room in my house. I’m connected to the phone network but not using it. I’m getting phone +internet +international calling for less than half of what ATT was charging. It seems that as long as some monopoly owns the POTS network, they’re either gouging or going bankrupt |
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 heels_fan1.20.09 The start of SocialismPremium
join:2003-02-07
Columbia, TN
kudos:1 | said by Rebellious:It looks like the internet has made old-fashioned telephony redundant.
I have a useless phone plug in every room in my house. I’m connected to the phone network but not using it. I’m getting phone +internet +international calling for less than half of what ATT was charging. It seems that as long as some monopoly owns the POTS network, they’re either gouging or going bankrupt
That is the residual product of technology.
I have a shit load of old VCR tapes in the basement...Most of those movies I now have either DVD or Blue Ray.
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everyone is born ignorant. some are born stupid, others achieve stupidity and the rest have stupidity thrust upon them. |
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| Who owns the existing POTS network? Can companies other than ATT use it to provide service? |
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1 edit | said by Rebellious:Who owns the existing POTS network? Can companies other than ATT use it to provide service?
are you asking about what's inside your house or outside?
the POTS network still ride on twisted copper pair to deliver Phone, DSL and in some Uverse which is just another flavor of dsl service.
if you're referring to what's inside your house, then NO, AT&T can't use that since that customer's responsibility.
if you're talking about what's outside from NID to connection pole, then YES, AT&T still uses it and milking the heck out of it.
you know what you can do with your old phone lines inside your house though? upgrade it to where you can have a whole house network using newer cables such as cat5e or cat6, rg6 for coax and fiber optic cables. maybe even throw in hdmi cables into the mix...then start your house automation project. |
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| said by asjamias:said by Rebellious:Who owns the existing POTS network? Can companies other than ATT use it to provide service?
are you asking about what's inside your house or outside? the POTS network still ride on twisted copper pair to deliver Phone, DSL and in some Uverse which is just another flavor of dsl service. if you're referring to what's inside your house, then NO, AT&T can't use that since that customer's responsibility. if you're talking about what's outside from NID to connection pole, then YES, AT&T still uses it and milking the heck out of it. you know what you can do with your old phone lines inside your house though? upgrade it to where you can have a whole house network using newer cables such as cat5e or cat6, rg6 for coax and fiber optic cables. maybe even throw in hdmi cables into the mix...then start your house automation project. Thank you, I wondered about converting the house phone outlets to distribute LAN around the house. Is there a RJ11 to RJ45 conversion cable?
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 graysonfPremium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL | said by Rebellious:Thank you, I wondered about converting the house phone outlets to distribute LAN around the house. Is there a RJ11 to RJ45 conversion cable? Just change the jacks.
But you need to be sure the wiring is capable. To maintain compliance with the ethernet standard you need four twisted pairs in an ethernet cable, even though only two pairs are actually used. |
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tel601
join:2005-08-11
Picayune, MS | reply to Rebellious
I have seen voip boxes that were able to back feed dialtone through a jack and through the house wiring, thereby making all of the phone jacks work just like normal pots service. If this is done the house wiring that is used to feed the jacks must be disconnected from the outside telephone lines. HomePNA network is another possible use for phone wiring in a house that is not in use. This allows you to use wiring that is not good enough for ethernet use to be used for networking. |
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 nightshade74Yet another genxerPremium
join:2004-11-06
Prattville, AL
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said by graysonf:But you need to be sure the wiring is capable. To maintain compliance with the ethernet standard you need four twisted pairs in an ethernet cable, even though only two pairs are actually used.
100 Meg uses 2 pair
Gigabit uses 4 pair |
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said by Rebellious:said by asjamias:said by Rebellious:Who owns the existing POTS network? Can companies other than ATT use it to provide service?
are you asking about what's inside your house or outside? the POTS network still ride on twisted copper pair to deliver Phone, DSL and in some Uverse which is just another flavor of dsl service. if you're referring to what's inside your house, then NO, AT&T can't use that since that customer's responsibility. if you're talking about what's outside from NID to connection pole, then YES, AT&T still uses it and milking the heck out of it. you know what you can do with your old phone lines inside your house though? upgrade it to where you can have a whole house network using newer cables such as cat5e or cat6, rg6 for coax and fiber optic cables. maybe even throw in hdmi cables into the mix...then start your house automation project. Thank you, I wondered about converting the house phone outlets to distribute LAN around the house. Is there a RJ11 to RJ45 conversion cable? // take a look first of what type of cable is behind each phone outlet...if it's cat3, i'd pull that out and replace it with cat5e or 6, to futureproof and add rg6.
if it is at least cat5e, trace it to where it's coming from, maybe in the attic or basement and try to locate a common point where all terminations can come back so you can start wiring it like a star network topology...
changing the jacks on the wall would come along while you're building your network but plan in advance... |
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said by asjamias:said by Rebellious:Who owns the existing POTS network? Can companies other than ATT use it to provide service?
are you asking about what's inside your house or outside? Technically the "network" end’s at the Network Interface Device (NID) from there on in it is considered customer provided/premises equipment (CPE), be it sets IW or modems which are “interfaced” with the network. |
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| you obviously did not read the earlier posts and his replies...he was asking about his telephone inside wiring which he referred to as the network...which is technically not.. |
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 Hayward K A R - 1 2 0 CPremium
join:2000-07-13
Key West, FL
kudos:1 | reply to Rebellious
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