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Caddyroger
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join:2001-06-11
To the west
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reply to Floppy

Re: [HD] HD costs extra?

said by Floppy:

Who says the rate increase is to purchase new boxes? Sure that maybe a small part of it. However; just to name a couple: take into account, programming (especially sports) fees go up every year. Also electricity rates go up every year especially for the headends which have 100s of servers running 24/7.

A small part for new boxes because they don't buy 1/2 to 3/4 million boxes every 2 to 3 years
I was just every wants Comcast to spend millions of dollars every two years or so they can throw away good working boxes. They are raising rates no how do you think they will raise when buying all at once new stb
Do you go buy a new refrigerator, stove dish washer, washing machine, drier, tv, Their are new models every year
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telcodad
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join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:15
Do most programmers supply separate SD and HD (if available) feeds to Comcast, or do they just supply an HD feed that Comcast just downconverts to an SD version themselves?

If separate SD and HD feeds are provided, do programmers charge an extra fee for the HD version?

SPOOZ

join:2011-06-20
Lafayette, CO
said by telcodad:

Do most programmers supply separate SD and HD (if available) feeds to Comcast, or do they just supply an HD feed that Comcast just downconverts to an SD version themselves?

Most programming providers have both a SD feed and a HD feed.

said by telcodad:

If separate SD and HD feeds are provided, do programmers charge an extra fee for the HD version?

It depends on the contract the cable or satellite provider has with the programming provider.
Most programming providers make you get the SD feed before you can get the HD feed, however if you buy the SD feed, the HD feed is free.

Zoder

join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL
reply to Joe12345678
said by Joe12345678:

But $200 is better then $8 /m for ever.

Just got my new bill. Now it's 9.95 a month from 8.50

yhp

join:2006-12-27
Philadelphia, PA

1 recommendation

reply to tranle
said by tranle:

said by Joe12345678:

But $200 is better then $8 /m for ever.

Your $200 purchase does not last for ever either. If you want a new version you need to re-purchase another box.

Well, that's the difference between ownership and renting, which most people realize without the help of car or appliance analogies. I'd FULLY EXPECT replacement on anything I was renting (obvious misuse and human damage notwithstanding). The person from whom I'm renting isn't doing me any favors replacing it when it dies. That's what renting is all about.

But in the meantime, a purchaser of one's own (theoretical, at this point) DVR would have had (for 2 years, maybe three tops, sure) a REAL DVR with REAL functions of his or her choosing: editing, high-speed dubbing, chaptering, bookmarking, splitting, joining, dumping to DVD, channel lineup editing, title changes, add-on storage capacity, the ability to schlep it someone else's house if necessary, etc: whatever things one's heart desired and the free market offered.

Comcast "DVR" service, OTOH, is nothing but rudimentary time-shifting service. When Comcast's saints "gift" you with "new" hardware, it's simply because no one in their right mind will rent something which doesn't work.

And that "new" hardware is still nothing but an appliance which permits rudimentary time shifting. The DVRs available in 2003 and 2004 put Comcast DVR features to shame. So for some people - yes, they'd absolutely rather blow $400 and have great fun for two years, even if it culminates in a fried hunk of metal, than spend $192 renting a rudimentary time-shifting appliance for the same amount of time.

Apples and oranges.

rody_44
Premium
join:2004-02-20
Quakertown, PA
reply to SPOOZ
That isnt correct. Its in the contract but when a hd feed gets added the rates always went up to match a hd counterpart. Hd was never free to the providers.

wdsnls

join:2003-06-19
Palm City, FL
reply to Zoder
said by Zoder:

said by Joe12345678:

But $200 is better then $8 /m for ever.

Just got my new bill. Now it's 9.95 a month from 8.50

Just to clarify this to other posters, this is an increase to $9.95 per/STB.

Zoder

join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL
said by wdsnls:

Just to clarify this to other posters, this is an increase to $9.95 per/STB.

Yes. That's per STB.


bohratom
Jersey Shore is back again.

join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ
said by Zoder:

said by wdsnls:

Just to clarify this to other posters, this is an increase to $9.95 per/STB.

Yes. That's per STB.

STB's in Jersey increased to $9.25 (SD or HD). Glad I switched to FIOS last year as they only charge $5.99 and when you need 5 it adds up.


telcodad
Premium
join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:15
Well, it looks like the ability to actually purchase a cable box (albeit an old refurbished one) in the U.S. is becoming a bit more of a possibility:

ACE Plan Would Let MSOs Sell Old Set-Tops
Light Reading Cable - January 27, 2012
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···r_cable&


mikedz4

join:2003-04-14
Weirton, WV
I wonder how many people would pay $300 for a dct box? If they sold newer boxes like the ones we rent today for a price comparable to the newer tivos more people would buy them.

scanpa
Premium
join:2006-09-06
Lebanon, PA
reply to telcodad
Now that's funny. They want to sell those old clunkers to users of Baja Broadband. And then others. LOL Comcast is working on removing these POS from there Stock, but there are so many of them still in use, it's not even funny.

$49.99 for DCT-2000 (sorry not worth $5.00)
$89.99 for DCT-2500
$299.99 for DCT-6412p3 or DCT-6416

all retail sales will include a 1 year warranty.

ROFLMAO my cell phone does more then these clunkers (Doorstops) can do.

Baja Broadband must be a very low level cable system.

GTFan

join:2004-12-03
reply to telcodad
said by telcodad:

Well, it looks like the ability to actually purchase a cable box (albeit an old refurbished one) in the U.S. is becoming a bit more of a possibility:

And then Comcast will charge you an outlet fee for the privilege, which is exactly what they're doing today in many areas for Cablecard users.
A clear violation of the new FCC rules, I might add, which state that Cablecard rates must be uniformly applied at one published rate.

Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
reply to scanpa
Shaw has good prices for NEW boxes and RENT TO own.

»www.shaw.ca/Television/Equipment/


gar187er
I do this for a living

join:2006-06-24
Dover, DE
kudos:4
why do we care what a canadian cable co does?
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scanpa
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join:2006-09-06
Lebanon, PA
reply to Joe12345678
said by Joe12345678:

Shaw has good prices for NEW boxes and RENT TO own.

»www.shaw.ca/Television/Equipment/

Has nothing to do with the subject

Those STB / DVR boxes are not FCC Certified for USA use.

not to mention, there OOB frequency set is different then the set we use here.


telcodad
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Lincroft, NJ
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reply to telcodad
said by telcodad:

Well, it looks like the ability to actually purchase a cable box (albeit an old refurbished one) in the U.S. is becoming a bit more of a possibility:

ACE Plan Would Let MSOs Sell Old Set-Tops
Light Reading Cable - January 27, 2012
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···r_cable&

As expected, from this blog article by Jeff Baumgartner on the Light Reading Cable site, the CEA has filed their objection to ACE's waiver request:

A New Battle Brews About Old Set-Tops
By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - February 1, 2012
»www.lightreading.com/blog.asp?bl···lr_cable


jkj860
The Final Frontier

join:2002-01-10
Valparaiso, IN
reply to Zoder
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said by Zoder:

said by Joe12345678:

But $200 is better then $8 /m for ever.

Just got my new bill. Now it's 9.95 a month from 8.50

Mine went from 7.95 to 8.95 this month for non dvr hd box, however the website still shows 7.95/month.
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Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
reply to telcodad
Selling DCT2000s to customers for $50 a pop is better then the carp DTA's that you have to rent and can't get the full payed for channel line up.

The Q

join:2008-06-26
Collegeville, PA
said by Joe12345678:

Selling DCT2000s to customers for $50 a pop is better then the carp DTA's that you have to rent and can't get the full payed for channel line up.

I thought comcast gave out free dtas? Mine doesn't cost me anything extra (yet). DCT 2000s are not worth $50.

dishrich

join:2006-05-12
Springfield, IL
said by The Q:

I thought comcast gave out free dtas? Mine doesn't cost me anything extra (yet).

Yea...the first TWO; the 3rd + are $2 each

DCT 2000s are not worth $50.

IF you are comparing to a stripped-down DTA, for an SDTV - YES they are!

The Q

join:2008-06-26
Collegeville, PA
I see. Points taken!

obckilroy

join:2011-11-16
reply to Joe12345678
said by Joe12345678:

the carp DTA's that you have to rent and can't get the full payed for channel line up.

DTA's don't get the premiums, but then again neither did the strait analog basic cable they replaced


joako
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kudos:6
reply to tee el cee
So I have $29.95 plan and don't get the SD channels in HD. Need to upgrade to a higher plan for +$20/month to get the HD channels! $8.95 HD fee only covers the LOCAL channels (and ESPN 3D)
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yhp

join:2006-12-27
Philadelphia, PA

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[EDIT: Never mind. I see from other thread you have business service...]

What $29.95 plan? Economy? Family Tier?

Given the choice between shelling out an extra $8.95/mo for HD locals only and an extra $20/mo for what sounds simply like a plan with HD channels (and not necessarily HD "access" - your post isn't clear, unless you are talking about multiple outlets) it might make some sense to consider DVR service. For $16.95/mo. you'll get HD access, an okay box, and you can get it on top of Digital Economy, base price of which is $29.95 to $34.95 per month, depending on market.

HD "access" is an extra itemized item on most plans. Remember, just because a Comcast plan "includes" HD channels, that doesn't mean you'll actually have access to any HD -- which is kinda what this whole thread is about.


joako
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join:2000-09-07
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said by yhp:

HD "access" is an extra itemized item on most plans. Remember, just because a Comcast plan "includes" HD channels, that doesn't mean you'll actually have access to any HD -- which is kinda what this whole thread is about.

And that's the problem. On top of their plans/packages being extremely obtuse, Comcast simply has no clue what they offer much less trains any of their employees from sales to "customer account executive" on what they offer. They went as far as dispatching a technician to for the "not authorized" (you would figure everyone gets QVC HD) messages. I called many times and I was told on multiple occasions the RNG150N "is not an HD box" but never told anything about the plan. At least the tech they sent was knowledgeable and even had a correct channel lineup (the one on Comcast.com was incorrect) but even then due to Comcast's backwardness they were unable to even add the correct package to the account.

The $8.95 "HD" fee was added last month -- and I was assured it would get me the HD versions of the current channels, never really had time to verify if it worked or not. But who would pay that when you can get exactly what the offer, and more actually, with an OTA antenna.

The plan I was sold doesn't even include the channels I wanted. I have it in writing from the sales rep it does. Everyone told me the service didn't need a cable box -- it does. Everyone at Comcast constantly gives incorrect and contradicting answers, a magic 8 ball would be just as accurate. The only thing Comcast excels at is providing a Comcastic experience.
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telcodad
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Lincroft, NJ
kudos:15
reply to telcodad
said by telcodad:

said by telcodad:

Well, it looks like the ability to actually purchase a cable box (albeit an old refurbished one) in the U.S. is becoming a bit more of a possibility:

ACE Plan Would Let MSOs Sell Old Set-Tops
Light Reading Cable - January 27, 2012
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···r_cable&

As expected, from this blog article by Jeff Baumgartner on the Light Reading Cable site, the CEA has filed their objection to ACE's waiver request:

A New Battle Brews About Old Set-Tops
By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - February 1, 2012
»www.lightreading.com/blog.asp?bl···lr_cable

ACE's response to the CEA's objection to their waiver request:

ACE: Selling Old Set-Tops Won't Derail Retail
Light Reading Cable - February 7, 2012
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···r_cable&

"Adams Cable Equipment Inc. defended its Federal Communications Commission (FCC) waiver request that aims to let MSOs sell refurbished set-tops with integrated security -- something that the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) is trying to stop, claiming that such a waiver would hinder efforts to create a true retail market from forming. ACE argued in a reply to the CEA's objections (»fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/···21858265) that the waiver would keep the spirit of the FCC's July 2007 mandate intact because it would give consumers a first-ever shot at buying low-cost cable set-tops via a retail channel. ACE also shot down a suggestion that the request would be limited to the 50,000 integrated security set-tops it currently has in inventory. While those boxes "would be sufficient to cover demand for some time, if ACE had the opportunity to acquire and sell more devices, that would represent a policy success for the Commission, not a threat or a failure," the company said."


telcodad
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join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:15
An item in the cable news roundup article on the Light Reading Cable site today:

"TiVo: Just Say No to Old Set-Top Sales
TiVo Inc. has joined the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) in urging the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to deny a waiver request from Adams Cable Equipment Inc. that's looking to let MSOs sell refurbished cable boxes with integrated security directly to consumers. The request "should be denied or at least significantly narrowed," TiVo told the Commission (»fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/···21858696). TiVo's chapped because the request to lift the ban on integrated security boxes, as written, would seem to let any cable operators sell all sorts of models, including high-end HD-DVRs. But TiVo is interested in knowing how many boxes Baja Broadband, a small MSO that sells some Motorola Mobility Inc. boxes in partnership with ACE, has been able to sell. ACE estimates that it has 50,000 boxes in inventory. TiVo argues that the effort "appears to be little more than a pretext for ACE to sell refurbished boxes.""