 | [Services] Switch from DSL to Uverse My daughter that lives on the street next to me said she got a letter telling her she would be switched from ATT DSL to ATT Uverse. Is this something new ? I assume I will get the same letter & there is no other DSL line available. I am sure it will cost more to make the switch. |
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 graysonfPremium,MVM join:1999-07-16 Fort Lauderdale, FL | Nothing new.
The DSL Terms of Service allow such a forced switch, unless you refuse, at which point the DSL will be canceled.
I'm on DSL and Uverse became available last year. I expect to get the same letter eventually, at switch point I'll switch to cable. |
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 | reply to Frank1938 do they raise your bill or just move you from 1990 equipment into 2010 equipment? moving to cable will get you to 2000 equipment good move because they will give "new customer" deal. |
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 | The letter said they would keep the price the same as the DSL for 12 months. Like me, she is not on cable so I am not sure how good the deal will be after the 12 months. Seems to be no alternative. |
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 NetFixerFreedom is NOT freePremium join:2004-06-24 The 'Boro Reviews:
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| reply to Frank1938 What will happen and what the eventual price increase will be, will depend on to which U-verse DSL system your daughter will be migrated. If the local CO is just changing over from a traditional ATM based ADSL system to an IP DSLAM ADSL system (which is also called U-verse, just like the VRAD based U-verse VDSL), then the sequence of events will likely be that she will be shipped a new IP DSLAM compatible modem, a CO tech will make a crossover change on the appointed day, and your daughter will just swap out the modem. Unless things have recently changed (I have not checked lately, but I think that some faster speeds may be available if you are close enough to the new DSLAM), the price ranges, and speed ranges for the old ATM based system and the new IP DSLAM system are similar.
If she actually has a new VRAD in her neighborhood, and gets migrated to VDSL, then most likely a tech visit will be scheduled to connect to a different wire pair, and install the new VDSL gateway. The VDSL products do vary in price and speed range, so after the 12 month grace period, the price will likely increase.
Going to »www.att.com/shop/internet/ should give you some idea of what is currently available and the prices. -- History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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 | Hopefully, the self installation is not as complicated as it seems. ATT is forcing a change from DSL to Uverse or they will drop the service, yet they will charge $150.00 if they install it. Guess when you have a lock on the business, you can go anyway you like.. |
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 NetFixerFreedom is NOT freePremium join:2004-06-24 The 'Boro Reviews:
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| said by Frank1938:Hopefully, the self installation is not as complicated as it seems. ATT is forcing a change from DSL to Uverse or they will drop the service, yet they will charge $150.00 if they install it. Guess when you have a lock on the business, you can go anyway you like.. Based on that description (unless things have changed very recently, VRAD installs are not self installs), my guess is that this is a migration from a traditional ATM DSLAM to an IP DSLAM, and all that should need to be done on the customer end is wait until the appointed day, and swap the modems. If AT&T does their job and does not screw up the physical connection, it should be plug and play on the customer end.
The new IP DSLAM in theory could mean a better connection since in many areas the ATM connection is a major bottleneck (picture a funnel with multiple DSLAMS dumping their data into a single overloaded ATM concentrator). If AT&T had done that here, rather than decommissioning several ATM concentrators and making the congestion worse, I might still be an AT&T customer. -- History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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 jimkPremium join:2006-04-15 Raleigh, NC Reviews:
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| said by NetFixer:The new IP DSLAM in theory could mean a better connection since in many areas the ATM connection is a major bottleneck (picture a funnel with multiple DSLAMS dumping their data into a single overloaded ATM concentrator). If AT&T had done that here, rather than decommissioning several ATM concentrators and making the congestion worse, I might still be an AT&T customer. IP DSLAM on AT&T also gets rid of PPPoE which is another source of headaches (such as when the password gets reset), especially if the customer has a router. |
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| reply to Frank1938 Installation is a Snap..plug-in cable from (new) modem provided by AT&T, to old Phone line at wall (use supplied filter if you have a regular phone), plug-in cable from Modem to computer and plug-in the DC adapter to Modem and then to your wall outlet.. easy. if you use Wireless it's a little more involved with punching in some numbers, but not bad..instructions come with the Kit..will install today at my house and test if it's Better than cable..the Prices seem better than my Cable,want know for sure until I get that Monthly bill..have 3o days to decide if I keep U-Verse, if not, send all back in their box n label, at no Charge. You dont need a Phone line, just the phone Outlet..signal works on the Wiring in your house..since you are already a Customer, they may give you the Option of self-install. |
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 MadtownPremium join:2008-04-26 Madera, CA | reply to Frank1938 Do you know if she will get a higher speed or lower speed when the switch is done? |
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 | Not much speed at all !! Really, don't know what speed she is suppose to have. Has had it several days & the service has been down more than up. There is a tech coming today to check the line. She is a very basic user, so she probably was on the lowest DSL. |
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 MadtownPremium join:2008-04-26 Madera, CA | reply to Frank1938 The reason I was asking is because in my case, I have the Pro on the ADSL, if they were to force me to switch, it would be ADSL2+ and the highest I could get is Express. I was wondering if they forced her to a slower speed or not. |
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 | What a hassle. The tech connected the Uverse today & now her land line doesn't work. They want $150.00 to come back & on top of that she got an email from Bell South telling her since she switched from Bell South to Uverse they would have to change her phone package & it will be more. Hope she can talk with someone tomorrow & get this mess straightened out. Seems they just can't leave "well enough" alone.... |
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 MadtownPremium join:2008-04-26 Madera, CA | reply to Frank1938 My advice would be to drop the land line and use cell only, if you can help it avoid at&t as your cell provider. That what I would do. |
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 NetFixerFreedom is NOT freePremium join:2004-06-24 The 'Boro Reviews:
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| reply to Frank1938 said by Frank1938:What a hassle. The tech connected the Uverse today & now her land line doesn't work. They want $150.00 to come back & on top of that she got an email from Bell South telling her since she switched from Bell South to Uverse they would have to change her phone package & it will be more. Hope she can talk with someone tomorrow & get this mess straightened out. Seems they just can't leave "well enough" alone.... AT&T...Rethink Possible! -- History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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 | Will wonders never cease ? Had an ATT tech by my daughters house today & he went the extra mile. Said he tried to make up for all the stuff he hears about long hold times, talking to someone on the phone you can't understand & some that seem so indifferent. He spent quite a bit of time & found the problem with the phone line. Would like to send in a compliment about him to ATT, but afraid if they knew what extra effort he put in they may chastise him because he suppose to be an "outside" tech. It does boost the ATT image for me. |
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 CanezoidWe are the Corps join:2001-02-16 Powder Springs, GA Reviews:
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| said by Frank1938:Will wonders never cease ? Had an ATT tech by my daughters house today & he went the extra mile. Said he tried to make up for all the stuff he hears about long hold times, talking to someone on the phone you can't understand & some that seem so indifferent. He spent quite a bit of time & found the problem with the phone line. Would like to send in a compliment about him to ATT, but afraid if they knew what extra effort he put in they may chastise him because he suppose to be an "outside" tech. It does boost the ATT image for me. If it was related to POTS/Wireline, the outside tech/ST is still able to handle repairs all the way to the CPE.
What kind of modem did your daughter switch to ? |
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| reply to NetFixer said by NetFixer:If she actually has a new VRAD in her neighborhood, and gets migrated to VDSL, then most likely a tech visit will be scheduled to connect to a different wire pair, and install the new VDSL gateway. Net, you've been around a while so I won't hammer you down much ok ? .
TMK, no one is being migrated/forced from RT based ATM DSLAMS over to VDSL VRAD's, this is only happening on IPDSLAM connections from the CO. Current DSL subscribers on ATM stay on ATM unless they request an upgrade or want to migrate to Uverse internet, it's purely elective. Say a sub is on 3M dsl & wants to upgrade to 6M, then they will be migrated to VDSL PTM. Unless engineering has capped an ATM/RT based system for migration purposes, which I've yet to see here, both would still be avail. For how long, who knows.
There is no way that a tech visit would just take place out of the blue to install a VDSL gateway, techs only come inside when orders request them to do so.
Peace ! |
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| said by Canezoid:said by NetFixer:If she actually has a new VRAD in her neighborhood, and gets migrated to VDSL, then most likely a tech visit will be scheduled to connect to a different wire pair, and install the new VDSL gateway. Net, you've been around a while so I won't hammer you down much ok ?  . TMK, no one is being migrated/forced from RT based ATM DSLAMS over to VDSL VRAD's, this is only happening on IPDSLAM connections from the CO. Current DSL subscribers on ATM stay on ATM unless they request an upgrade or want to migrate to Uverse internet, it's purely elective. Say a sub is on 3M dsl & wants to upgrade to 6M, then they will be migrated to VDSL PTM. Unless engineering has capped an ATM/RT based system for migration purposes, which I've yet to see here, both would still be avail. For how long, who knows. There is no way that a tech visit would just take place out of the blue to install a VDSL gateway, techs only come inside when orders request them to do so. Peace ! It may not be happening now, but the AT&T TOS which gives AT&T the option of forced migration does not distinguish between IP DSLAM U-verse and VRAD U-verse. If AT&T had offered me the chance to switch (forced or voluntary) from my overloaded ATM DSLAM connections to a VRAD or IP DSLAM, I would have been delighted (and would probably still be an AT&T HSI customer). -- History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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 CanezoidWe are the Corps join:2001-02-16 Powder Springs, GA Reviews:
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| TOS does state that yes, I did forget to mention that and I take your point reg no distinguishment between either VDSL or the IPdslam factor.
It's still a call that is really left up to the local engineers, how the plant plays into it, how many ATM ports are in use as opposed to what is already invested/turned up in the VRAD, how much it's going to cost to slot new cards if a mass migration were to take place, etc.
Not seeing those affects here at all, lots of sites w/ both avail and very few IPdslam orders in our exchange. |
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