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NorthAmerica
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Re: CNOC's Part 1 Filing on the 703/704 tariffs said by jfmezei:Ok, the other letters are basically the same with some variations, requesting costing info from:
Bell
Vdeotron
Rogers
Cogeco
MTS Allstream
Telus, Shaw, going once, twice?
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grunze510
join:2009-02-14
Cote Saint-Luc, QC
kudos:1 | said by bbbc:said by jfmezei:Ok, the other letters are basically the same with some variations, requesting costing info from:
Bell
Vdeotron
Rogers
Cogeco
MTS Allstream
Telus, Shaw, going once, twice? Don't the latest tarriffs offer speeds up to 25/3 Mbit/s DSL and 50/3 Mbit/s cable without a cap? I think at this point, it's more of an issue of an indie ISP choosing to offer the higher speeds than it is for Telus or Shaw to file a tariff. Actually, did they file a tariff? |
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jfmezeiPremium
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Pointe-Claire, QC
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| Shaw has not changed its billing philosophy, so there is less of a debate about their rates.
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Another purpose is to ensure that cable carriers continue to adhere fully to speed matching requirements
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during the transition period to aggregated Points of Interconnection (“POIs”) for Third Party Internet Access (“TPIA”) service also mandated by TRP 2011-703. It is for this reason that Shaw Cablesystems GP (“Shaw”) has also been made a respondent to this Application even though it is not implementing the approved capacity model.
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jfmezeiPremium
join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
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| Does anyone know :
ISPs who have announced pricing according to new Rogers TPIA tariffs ?
ISPs who have *begun* to offer/advertise FTTN speeds which didn't do so under the interim pricing ?
I know of at least one ISP who has announced new pricing for Videotron. But knowing about others would be important. |
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| The ISP we don't want to talk about has raise Rogers cable internet fees in spite of that fact that they currently use the non-aggregated POIs.
While I can understand that they probably take quite a few hits on keeping their POI upgrades, but there is some dishonesty blaming the raise on CRTC. |
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resa1983
join:2008-03-10
North York, ON
kudos:1 Reviews:
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said by jfmezei:Does anyone know :
ISPs who have announced pricing according to new Rogers TPIA tariffs ?
Teksavvy still isn't offering the 32mbps or the 50mbps packages from Rogers the tariff made it look like if they wanted those faster packages, they HAD to put those users on the new aggregated POI (which I don't think is even ready), which meant paying for a lot of extra unnecessary fees.
said by Ott_Cable :The ISP we don't want to talk about has raise Rogers cable internet fees in spite of that fact that they currently use the non-aggregated POIs.
While I can understand that they probably take quite a few hits on keeping their POI upgrades, but there is some dishonesty blaming the raise on CRTC. The price increases weren't just for the aggregated POI (which NO one is using yet - I doubt its even ready yet despite Rogers being ordered to set it up years ago) - it applied to the non-aggregated POIs as well. |
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join:2006-08-30
HarperLand
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said by Ott_Cable :The ISP we don't want to talk about has raise Rogers cable internet fees in spite of that fact that they currently use the non-aggregated POIs.
While I can understand that they probably take quite a few hits on keeping their POI upgrades, but there is some dishonesty blaming the raise on CRTC.
They claim they raised their rates (an excuse in my book) due to the costs incurred with their massive growth in the cable side of the business.
Frankly those costs are mainly due to the incompetence (accidentally or on purpose) of Rogers.
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| >They claim they raised their rates (an excuse in my book) due to the costs incurred with their massive growth in the cable side of the business.
That had been mentioned on DSLR only once, but it has not been explained in the email they sent out. |
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resa1983
join:2008-03-10
North York, ON
kudos:1 Reviews:
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At this point, its gotta be on purpose.. If they were really that incompetent, they'd be replaced with someone who can actually get the job done.
Remember: It took Rogers 3+ tries to get the 2nd York Mills link in, because they didn't know how to do it, and didn't want to have to go to the vendor for support. Once they finally got the vendor support (after more than 3 weeks of dicking around), they finally got it up & running. Not to mention, they're still screwing up link additions: non-routable IP addresses, links that don't get used at all because Rogers didn't set up the offload at all, having a router towards the CMTS for wholesale which supported less than 2gbps, causing massive speed issues/packet loss for TPIA.... Need I go on?
Rogers has an incentive to dick around... And because theres no real SLA, they can, and have been doing it. |
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jfmezeiPremium
join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
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| Rogers is fairly smart. By blaming technical issues for all those delays (compared to Bell wanting UBB), it becomes quite hard to have a public outcry from Openmedia or others, and it becomes harder to go to the CRTC to complain about delays because you can't prove that Rogers are creating those delays on purpose.
And for all we know, it could really be incompetence instead of Rogers wilfully delaying everything they can.
In the case of Bell, there were formal taruffs we could (and did) argue about. But in the case of Rogers, those delays are all wishy washy.
Rogers did show its true colours when it refused to light up a new ISP last summer, claiming it could't welcome it under the old rates and the new interim aggregated syste wasn't ready. This really showed ill will on the part of Rogers. |
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What is Teksavvy saying/doing about the transition to aggregated, given their current setup? |
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said by jfmezei:Rogers did show its true colours when it refused to light up a new ISP last summer, claiming it could't welcome it under the old rates and the new interim aggregated syste wasn't ready. This really showed ill will on the part of Rogers. At that point, the CRTC had already ruled that non-aggregated POIs were end-of-life. It isn't that unreasonable or uncommon for a company to refuse new long-term commitments for obsolete products for new and existing customers. |
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elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
join:2006-08-30
HarperLand Reviews:
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said by jfmezei:Rogers is fairly smart. By blaming technical issues for all those delays (compared to Bell wanting UBB), it becomes quite hard to have a public outcry from Openmedia or others, and it becomes harder to go to the CRTC to complain about delays because you can't prove that Rogers are creating those delays on purpose.
And for all we know, it could really be incompetence instead of Rogers wilfully delaying everything they can.
In the case of Bell, there were formal taruffs we could (and did) argue about. But in the case of Rogers, those delays are all wishy washy.
Rogers did show its true colours when it refused to light up a new ISP last summer, claiming it could't welcome it under the old rates and the new interim aggregated syste wasn't ready. This really showed ill will on the part of Rogers.
You can prove it very easily, you bring in the vendor, or an outside consultant.
Rogers will have to explain what the problem was, and then can be vetted by a third party who is knowledgeable in the field.
Of course they'll just lie , so what's the point, there are no repercussions.
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 andybPremium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
kudos:1
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said by InvalidError:said by jfmezei:Rogers did show its true colours when it refused to light up a new ISP last summer, claiming it could't welcome it under the old rates and the new interim aggregated syste wasn't ready. This really showed ill will on the part of Rogers. At that point, the CRTC had already ruled that non-aggregated POIs were end-of-life. It isn't that unreasonable or uncommon for a company to refuse new long-term commitments for obsolete products for new and existing customers. The aggregated was months overdue.If you cant go by the tariff you issued it should revert to the old |
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xcimo
join:2007-11-21
Gatineau, QC Reviews:
·Videotron
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said by jfmezei:Does anyone know :
ISPs who have announced pricing according to new Rogers TPIA tariffs ?
ISPs who have *begun* to offer/advertise FTTN speeds which didn't do so under the interim pricing ?
I know of at least one ISP who has announced new pricing for Videotron. But knowing about others would be important.
Never heard of them, but thoses guys also published rate for videotron TPIA:
»www.gemstelecom.com/internet-r.asp |
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elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
join:2006-08-30
HarperLand Reviews:
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said by andyb:said by InvalidError:said by jfmezei:Rogers did show its true colours when it refused to light up a new ISP last summer, claiming it could't welcome it under the old rates and the new interim aggregated syste wasn't ready. This really showed ill will on the part of Rogers. At that point, the CRTC had already ruled that non-aggregated POIs were end-of-life. It isn't that unreasonable or uncommon for a company to refuse new long-term commitments for obsolete products for new and existing customers. The aggregated was months overdue.If you cant go by the tariff you issued it should revert to the old Again Andy, no repercussions, so they don't care, what (can?) is the CRTC going to do?
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andybPremium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
kudos:1 | CRTC can show it has balls to do something but it wont.Never has.Even with fining Bell a million for spam calling bell probably made 10 million off it so the CRTC wanted a cut |
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said by andyb:The aggregated was months overdue.If you cant go by the tariff you issued it should revert to the old The only reason the CRTC has not allowed Rogers to terminate non-aggregated POIs on Feb 1st is to give ISPs who had invested into the non-aggregated scheme prior to that decision two years to get some return on their investments.
If Rogers had been forced to extend "legacy POIs" to new entrants, it would likely have been with multiple strings attached such as no non-aggregated capacity upgrades once aggregated-POI becomes available, which makes the new entrant's POI investments worthless as soon as they start needing upgrades. |
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andybPremium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
kudos:1 | I was refering to the fact that rogers filed a tariff for a non existent POI service.Far as I know it still doesnt exist.What is this? 2 years later or something.Dont sell if you dont have it |
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jfmezeiPremium
join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
kudos:22 Reviews:
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| BTW, the CRTC file fpor the CNOC Part 1:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/Part1/eng/2012/86···0063.htm
I think this will start to get populated this thursday (or appear there on friday) when the first comments on what immediate actions the CRTC needs to take for Feb 1. |
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