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JimCT
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Tax Auction Info Needed

Anyone know if lists of homes for tax auctions can be found online? I'm interested as Plainfield is auctioning off up to 34 homes for tax delinquencies:

»www.norwichbulletin.com/news/x91···iiETIg8y

I'm interested in seeing the list before the March 14 auction. If not online, who would have that info?


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Don't do this. There are plenty of HONEST ways to make money. Aiding governments with the theft of people's homes is NOT one of them.

The owners have worked all their lives to pay for those homes in most cases. It's not their fault that the government steals.

Instead, try helping a beleaguered home owner with his tax problem, instead of turning them loose on the streets, with nothing left to lose.



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said by disconnected :

Don't do this. There are plenty of HONEST ways to make money. Aiding governments with the theft of people's homes is NOT one of them.

The owners have worked all their lives to pay for those homes in most cases. It's not their fault that the government steals.

Instead, try helping a beleaguered home owner with his tax problem, instead of turning them loose on the streets, with nothing left to lose.

Paying taxes is part of the duties of homeowners. They take advantage of all the benefits the city offers. Someone who doesn't want/can't pay taxes can easily sell the property and rent instead. Maybe we should all stop paying taxes, if some are allowed to get away without it, then why should I be the sucker paying their share?

OP: call the city hall / tax assessor's office. They are very likely to have the info and/or direct you to the right place.

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No matter how long or how much you pay on it, no matter how much sweat you put into it, you will never own your home free and clear. You will always be paying rent. And no matter what "contract" you entered into with the city when you "bought" your property, you have no control over how much rent you'll be paying when you retire.

California Proposition 13 (1978)
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California···81978%29

"The proposition decreased property taxes by assessing property values at their 1975 value and restricted annual increases of assessed value of real property to an inflation factor, not to exceed 2% per year. It also prohibited reassessment of a new base year value except for (a) change in ownership or (b) completion of new construction.
...
A large contributor to Proposition 13 was the sentiment that older Californians should not be priced out of their homes through high taxes."

There are some economic unintended consequences with such a proposition (as with any kind of rent control) but without some form of leash on local governments it becomes a carte blanche approval to increase the budget whenever it desires. As it stands now, it's a simple budget matter of "how much money do we want" and "Ok, divide that into the property values that we already decided on".

Pitiful.

That said, avoiding buying these stolen homes will have no affect on whether they're stolen going forward; the cities don't care. This problem needs to be attacked at its roots, not at its branches.

GA



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said by pandora:

said by cowboyro:

Paying taxes is part of the duties of homeowners. They take advantage of all the benefits the city offers.

I once saw the list in Danbury. I saw many owned by women up for auction. This surprised me. I elected to investigate half a dozen.

Every one was an old widow, to the extent I could determine they were either not occupants or were not able to manage their property (great disrepair).

If taking property from an old widow, who may be in a nursing home, is a duty, then god bless your soul. God bless you, should the misfortune of being old happen to yourself or your wife.

Everyone ultimately has a sob story. Where do you draw the line? If you can't manage a property then sell it. Or at least donate it to a family member. Plain and simple.

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»blog.ctnews.com/edwards/2010/07/···en-sale/



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It would be nice if the tax assessor sent a social worker to inspect the condition of the owner to see if there was an impairment.

I wouldn't mind a tax lien to be foreclosed after the owner died. Taking a home from someone alive but impaired seems inhumane to me.

And how do you draw the line in a fair way? How do you decide if person X is impaired-enough to be allowed to get away with not paying while person Y isn't?
Are you going to allow someone to live in a $10M mansion because they cannot afford the taxes? Or just in a $300k house? Maybe draw the line at $123,513? How would it prevent people from selling their houses to gramma and live there tax-free because gramma is exempt from paying tax based on her income?
See what kind of can of worms you'd be opening?

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said by pandora:

Being disabled, or older than 65 would cut it for me. I don't believe houses are moving anywhere.

So gramma in $10M mansion not paying $300k/year tax = OK, woman with 3 infants in 70k trailer not paying 2k/year tax would lose the house. How is it fair?

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said by pandora:

So yeah, I'd old grandma slide. Old age, dementia, disability, eventually grandma will die and her home be repossessed.

In Danbury it works out that Grandma's house is worth $70-$200K, and is on the auction block for around $10K or less in unpaid taxes. A tell tale sign that it's an old grandma is the house has no mortgage. It gets sold often to a lawyer, based on review of the list after the fact, who will do minimal fix up, partition it and sell to our local population of undocumented workers. Creating a burden for our school system, a burden the seniors who got foreclosed on never presented.

You're making a lot of assumptions based on fiction.
First - you assume illegals would buy the house. With what? Who gives them a loan (especially these days) with no credit check and no employment? And why do you assume the kids are illegal too? Last time I checked someone born in US was a US citizen and had the same rights as any other citizen, regardless of the status of the parents. Including access to public education.
Whomever buys the house will have the duty of paying all the back taxes and will continue paying taxes - supporting the system. Old gramma that doesn't pay taxes doesn't contribute with anything, yet benefits of all services offered by the city: police, fire, senior transport.
Illegals don't buy houses - they rent. It's cheaper to start with and they can easily move if needed.

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All self pontificating bullshit aside - the Plainfield tax assessor should be able to either give you the list, or tell you where to find it.



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said by Grumpy:

All self pontificating bullshit aside - the Plainfield tax assessor should be able to either give you the list, or tell you where to find it.

I stopped by the assessor's office and picked up the list, which was printed in the Norwich Bulletin on December 29th in the legal section. She said that the list is now down to 31 properties (it was at 39, but 8 have paid in full and are no longer on the block).

Terms require $5000 cash or bank check at the auction to secure winning bid, and balance of bid to be paid by bank check within 5 business days of auction closing.

Some interesting properties on the list- some duplexes that are rentable... one with a Verizon cell tower on it... one former dry cleaner's business building... quite a few open parcels of various size that are open lots... and various other homes and mobile homes... time for some homework before any bids are placed.

EDIT: after reading through this thread, there seems to be diverging opinions on whether it's morally right or wrong to take someone's home for tax liens... it's interesting to note that many of the properties in this tax sale are former business locations, open parcels (with or without a cell tower), and many owned by "estates" implying the owner died and the town is trying to clean off the books... not too many of these would be taking grandma's home as far as I can tell..


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said by JimCT:

one with a Verizon cell tower on it...

sweet, revenue generating property


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said by MrFixitCT:

said by JimCT:

one with a Verizon cell tower on it...

sweet, revenue generating property

That's exactly what I thought... why would anyone let that one get to tax sale status... it's got to be a longer term money maker. I very well may bid on that one if the price doesn't get too high... but my guess is that will be a popular property.


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No, living for the sake of one's own life is everyone's individual duty.
Paying taxes is foolhardy at best, and downright destructive of countries at typical. Witness the totalitarian regime that is taking over the US now. That is only possible through extortion of funds.
What kind of government is so terrible that the ONLY way it can fund itself is through the theft of money, under the threat of MURDER, from it's subjects?
Frankly, if the government's services are so in-demand, then they would be on the free market.
Taxes accomplish only one thing: strip citizens of the power of self-determination, making them all wards of the state.

On a more practical note, if an individual can't afford property taxes on a small home, what makes you think he'll even qualify to pass the credit check on renting an apartment?

Eventually, home owners are going to stand up, like that fellow in Ogden, UT did last week and a lot of people are going to wind up hurt or dead.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn



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I see everyone's point here, but at the same time, we don't know if half these items are people who walked away from their mortgages, closed businesses, or what they are about. I've talked to a few people whose post 9/08 perception of walking away from a mortgage commitment is as blase as "I dropped a penny in a mud puddle, oh well."


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