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Sammmy00

@jillyred.net

Netwrok cable for gigabit router

OK, I am 14 years old and have been working with computers since I was like 10. My parents got me a gigabit router for xmas and I'm super excited. I went to Best Buy to get a cable for it and the guy at Best Buy sold me a $36.99, 6' "shielded" CAT6 cable he said I needed if I wanted to run gigabit. Is this true? I got home and tried it but the dslreports/speedtest was not any faster. Do I need this cable for faster speeds or maybe it is broken? Or do I not understand this? I'm pretty good at Windows but I don't know much about networking other than I need a modem and router and that is why I'm posting here. Thanks.

Sammy

puzz1ed

join:2005-02-20
Markham, ON

You only need an unshielded CAT5E cable to do gigabit. Even then, don't expect this to speed up your Internet connection.



shdesigns
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reply to Sammmy00
Gigabit was designed for regular CAT5 cable.

On long runs it was found that CAt5e was needed so the spec was updated.

Shielded CAT6 is way overkill, especially for a short run.

What kind of speed test results are you seeing? Are they near what your ISP is providing?
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Kilroy
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join:2002-11-21
Ann Arbor, MI

reply to Sammmy00
Have your folks buy you a cable from Monoprice and save 90%. Here are their shielded CAT6 - you can get 100 feet and still have money left over from what Best Buy wants.
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cablegeek01

join:2003-05-13
USA

said by Kilroy:

Have your folks buy you a cable from Monoprice and save 90%. Here are their shielded CAT6 - you can get 100 feet and still have money left over from what Best Buy wants.

Yep. Monoprice has been my go-to place for computer and AV cables for years now. never had a bad experience.
Also, go back to best buy and kick that guy in the nuts. He's a liar and a thief.
Your Ethernet cable will almost never be the weakest link in any network (baring 10Gbps networks, and lengthy 1Gbps networks).


Anav
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reply to Sammmy00
When I installed the new HD quality cable at my house for , the installer went around the house changing many of the existing end plugs as they were not done well and introduced noise into the system (yes I had done most of them myself). If you are having any issues I highly recomomend a technician check all your coax plugs/ends to ensure they are properly shielded and inserted. Also If your house is not wired for etherent using cat5e you may not get the highest lan speeds (but should not affect much lower WAN connections. In general problems occur at connection points and at the connectors for both coax and rj 45.. Concur there are many cheaper places to get any kind of wiring. Locally I got to places that the installler companies go for equipment (like a Harris and Roome) and pay cash and get stuff locally for much cheaper and reasonable quality. (a thought if on-line purchases are not possible),
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cablegeek01

join:2003-05-13
USA

reply to Sammmy00
what kind of internet connection do you have, and what speed package are you on? (I'm assuming that you're talking about speeds from your computer out to the internet, and not computer to computer)



sbconslt

join:2009-07-28
Los Angeles, CA

reply to Sammmy00
The gigabit router creates a gigabit scope on your LAN, inside your house, only. So if you want to demonstrate the speeds you have to perform a test from one LAN machine to another, for example by FTPing a large file from one local machine to another. The whole benefit of the gigabit is to facilitate very high speed network transfers between local hosts, typically in situations such as streaming video from network attached storage to a media frontend, or network mounted filesystems.

Doing a speed test from the WAN (the internet) like you did is testing the wrong thing. You are testing your WAN speed, which is capped by your service provider. You'll reach your provisioned speed long before you approach anywhere near the limits of the gigabit switch. Rig a test internally to your LAN instead.
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DrTCP
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Round Rock, TX

reply to Sammmy00

It's a RIP off

said by Sammmy00 :

OK, I am 14 years old and have been working with computers since I was like 10. My parents got me a gigabit router for xmas and I'm super excited. I went to Best Buy to get a cable for it and the guy at Best Buy sold me a $36.99, 6' "shielded" CAT6 cable he said I needed if I wanted to run gigabit. Is this true? I got home and tried it but the dslreports/speedtest was not any faster. Do I need this cable for faster speeds or maybe it is broken? Or do I not understand this? I'm pretty good at Windows but I don't know much about networking other than I need a modem and router and that is why I'm posting here. Thanks.

Sammy

You only need Cat5e cables for Gigabit. Cat 6 cables are not required by the standard. In fact, there is no Ethernet standard for Cat 6. 10GigE uses fiber only. Good old Cat 5 cables will work just fine most of the time for short (most) GigE links.

$36.99 for 6' cable is outrageous! Return the cable and get your money back.

You will not get higher speeds with Cat 6 cable. If you are testing LAN to WAN with WAN speeds less than 100Mbps, it is possible you might not even see any benefit from a new router.


cablegeek01

join:2003-05-13
USA

Actually, 10G(BASE-T) uses CAT6A and CAT6 as well. We run it in our lab between the ASR9000's and the CRS3.

»www.google.com/products/catalog?···IQ8wIwAw

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_Gigabit_Ethernet

That being said, 10GBE is still not practical or economical for the home or even small business at this point.



DrTCP
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Round Rock, TX

You are right. Apparently now there is a 10GBaseT standard which may use copper with a recommendation of Cat6A or Cat6 for very short distances (after the re-qualification of cabling to support).

I have not seen anything like that actually in use anywhere. Almost all deployments use fiber for 10Gig Ethernet. All NICs I have seen do support optical only. There are very expensive equipment anyway so there is no point try to skimp over fibre cables to save a few bucks. You are likely to get into more trouble with use of copper cabling.



Sammmy00

@zoomvps.com

reply to sbconslt

Re: Netwrok cable for gigabit router

Thanks guys. I think I understand now. So if I only get 10 gigabit on the LAN, what is the best way to test my speed? Transfer a big file between my Windows 7 computer and my Windows Media Server and use a stopwatch? Thanks.


Nightfall
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said by Sammmy00 :

Thanks guys. I think I understand now. So if I only get 10 gigabit on the LAN, what is the best way to test my speed? Transfer a big file between my Windows 7 computer and my Windows Media Server and use a stopwatch? Thanks.

There are various utilities you can use to measure your speed. A stopwatch works as well though. Use your 10/100 switch and copy a 1gb file from one system to the other. Then plug in your gigabit switch and do the same thing. You will see a vast improvement.
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Sammmy00

@zoomvps.com

OK, I just did the transfer twice and both it took about the same time (plus or minus 13 seconds) for the 10/100 and the 10/1000. The file was 121 MB. One thing though is that my Windows XP laptop is on wireless, does this matter? I got a 802.11n card for it and I made sure it was working so I think that should be fast enough but I could be wrong. Thanks.



sbconslt

join:2009-07-28
Los Angeles, CA

Do it from wired client to wired client otherwise you are once again convolving two separate tests (the wired switch's speed convolved with the wireless transcievers' speed).

A common test could be to install an FTP server (FileZilla server for instance) on one host and do an ftp get of a large file from another host using Windows' built-in command line ftp, that should report you the throughput when it completes. I would avoid using Windows File Sharing (Samba) transfers because the overhead involved will distort the result. FTP is more appropriate.
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DrTCP
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Round Rock, TX

reply to Sammmy00

said by Sammmy00 :

Thanks guys. I think I understand now. So if I only get 10 gigabit on the LAN, what is the best way to test my speed? Transfer a big file between my Windows 7 computer and my Windows Media Server and use a stopwatch? Thanks.

You are not getting 10 gigabit. You have 1 gigabit LAN network. If any of your network interfaces on the path between 2 hosts is even less (say 10/100) your link will downgrade to that level.


DrTCP
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Round Rock, TX

reply to Sammmy00

said by Sammmy00 :

OK, I just did the transfer twice and both it took about the same time (plus or minus 13 seconds) for the 10/100 and the 10/1000. The file was 121 MB. One thing though is that my Windows XP laptop is on wireless, does this matter? I got a 802.11n card for it and I made sure it was working so I think that should be fast enough but I could be wrong. Thanks.

Bad test. You need to disable wireless on your laptop and use wired to wired testing. In addition, even though your end-points might be connected to the network with GigE NIC and switches, you might still get bad performance if your hosts are not fast enough to send/receive at those speeds. Everything should be finely tuned to get peak performance including the client and server software. A lot of FTP servers cannot serve at 1 Gigabit level. Windows SMB file sharing protocol is particularly bad for high speed file transfers. A lot of computers really have hard time keeping up with 1 gigabit sustained traffic.

There are specialized test devices like Smartbits, Breaking Point etc. for these performance tests.

In the end, your milage will vary significantly.


sbconslt

join:2009-07-28
Los Angeles, CA

reply to DrTCP
DrTCP makes a good point. Your wired ethernet ports involved need to be backed by gigabit controllers otherwise you won't exceed fast ethernet (100mbps) speeds.


praetoralpha

join:2005-08-06
Pittsburgh, PA
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reply to DrTCP

said by DrTCP:

Everything should be finely tuned to get peak performance including the client and server software. A lot of FTP servers cannot serve at 1 Gigabit level. Windows SMB file sharing protocol is particularly bad for high speed file transfers. A lot of computers really have hard time keeping up with 1 gigabit sustained traffic.

I transfer stuff regularly between my desktop (Win 7 x64, sandy bridge) and my server (linux, AMD triple core) over SMB and regularly get over 110 MB/s in either direction. I haven't did any manual perf tuning anywhere, but am saturating a gigabit link!

Though back when I had a single core server, I was barely getting over 50-60 MB/s. Also, the speed of the drives factor in as well.


AngryBlakMan
Angry Black Man

join:2007-11-19
USA

said by praetoralpha:

regularly get over 110 MB/s in either direction

what drives (and in what configuration) are you running?

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