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floydb1982

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Can Composite do 480p on the Philips BDP5506/F7

Is possible to get composite to do 480p on my Philips BDP5506/F7 Blu-ray player??? My DVD movies are giving the same quality on HDMI/1080p vs HDMI/480p off my Magnavox 47" CFL LCD 1080p HDTV. I'm thinking watch DVD on Composite and on HDMI.watch Blu-rays off.


alphapointe
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Composite is 480i, and very piss-poor 480i at that...

S-Video or component would be a much better bet.


floydb1982

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Well alphapointe I gave it a shot and hooked up the yellow composite video cable wire to my Magnavox 47" CFL LCD 1080p HDTV and stuck in Little Women. The video looked murky with slight lines that every few seconds. Then I went into the setup menu of my Philips Blu-ray player and set the video to deinterlace. I then played the movie again and this time it was not murky at all and had no slight lines at all. the video looked very smoothed and so much clearer and up-converted to 480p. My TV doesn't not say if it is at 480p or not but the Blu-ray play is for sure deinterlacing it to 480p. I'll watch DVD movies on Composite and Blu-ray movies on HDMI.


floydb1982

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reply to alphapointe
alphapointe as far as I know of nobody uses S-Video anymore. I don't even think you can find a flatpanel HDTV or DVD/Blu-ray disc player with S-Video. My Magnavox 47" CFL LCD 1080p HDTV doesn't have an S-Video plug but Composite, Component, and HDMI video ports only.



IllIlIlllIll
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reply to floydb1982
it would actually be better to watch the DVD movie at the same resolution of 480 through the HDMI instead of the composite simply because there is no loss of signal fidelity as there would be with composite since composite is analog, HDMI is digital.
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floydb1982

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IllIlIlllIll I've always been told that not all Analog frequencies can't be converted Digitally. Video connections like Composite, Component and so forth are Analog. That being said isn't Analog video really better than Digital video?



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What is the source material? You stated DVD...which is digital, so it would be better to keep the signal digital. It should look better and there are less cables lying about.

In any case, perform the "visual" test. Try it both ways and see which looks "best" to you.
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said by floydb1982:

IllIlIlllIll I've always been told that not all Analog frequencies can't be converted Digitally. Video connections like Composite, Component and so forth are Analog. That being said isn't Analog video really better than Digital video?

that really wouldnt make sense since the source material on the DVD is digital and being converted to analog for composite/component connections.
having the digital content travel all the way to the display and having the displays scaler decode it to LVDS (low voltage differential signals) for driving on an LCD/Plasma TCON/Logic controller for the display panel would be better as there is no conversion to analog, only conversion from bits of zeros and ones to voltages of zeros and ones and some scaling to the display as most sets have Overscan that i cant stand, i prefer 1:1 scaling and not many sets have this option.
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broccoli

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said by floydb1982:

alphapointe as far as I know of nobody uses S-Video anymore. I don't even think you can find a flatpanel HDTV or DVD/Blu-ray disc player with S-Video. My Magnavox 47" CFL LCD 1080p HDTV doesn't have an S-Video plug but Composite, Component, and HDMI video ports only.

While S-video is no longer common, that doesn't mean it's extinct.

Interesting that you mentioned Magnavox, ahem, Funai, as it is about the only brand that still sells TVs with S-video jacks.

Although I haven't seen BD players with S-video jacks, one of my DVD players (my first) has it. And not just one, but 2 of them!

floydb1982

join:2004-08-25
Kent, WA

broccoli I must be going Ray Charles. Because after you said that Magnavox, and so forth include the old S-Video I got to really looking this time at my Magnavox 47MF439B/F7 and saw it had 2 S-Video ports 1 on the back and 1 on the right side.



Dogg
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reply to floydb1982
The same still applies. HDMI is "better" quality than composite or S-Video...especially from a digital source.
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floydb1982

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DVD is standard definition so what difference does it make. Its not going to look any better on HDMI deinterlaced to 1080p vs Composite deinterlaced 480p.



IllIlIlllIll
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try your computer monitor on VGA (analog) and DVI (digital) and see if you see a difference.
HDMI whether at 480,720 or 1080 is still way better than composite.
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floydb1982

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In the first place I don't have a VGA (RGB Analog) or DVI-A (Analog) But DVI-I (Dual Link), DVI-D (Dual Link), HDMI, and HDMI Mini. Besides my LED LCD 22" 1080p only has a DVI-D (Dual Link) only. So as you see I can't compare VGA to DVI. Nobody uses VGA anymore.



IllIlIlllIll
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said by floydb1982:

In the first place I don't have a VGA (RGB Analog) or DVI-A (Analog) But DVI-I (Dual Link), DVI-D (Dual Link), HDMI, and HDMI Mini. Besides my LED LCD 22" 1080p only has a DVI-D (Dual Link) only. So as you see I can't compare VGA to DVI. Nobody uses VGA anymore.

i suppose an easier analogy would be the difference between the song you like, hearing it on a cassette and a CD.
but to each their own, if you like it on composite, then more power to ya.
the source material is still digital but its converted to analog composite, its actually being down converted for composite even if its at the same resolution.
if youre really going to use analog for 480 res DVD's you would be better off using analog component then.
thats the highest quality analog connection you can get from the DVD player.
the lowest quality analog connection is composite as all the video signals are combined into a single wire.
there can be some small benefit using analog component for low resolution DVD's as an analog component connection will produce a "softer" picture with less MPEG compression artifacts because imperfections like that arent really seen with a lower grade connection, but can be observed with a digital connection.
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reply to floydb1982

said by floydb1982:

Nobody uses VGA anymore.

Same as your statement about S-Video above. While VGA is no longer as common as before, that doesn't mean it's extint. Go to any store and you will find plenty of monitors with VGA inputs. And there are quite a few computers still in use out there using VGA. Many HDTVs have VGA inputs as well. I replaced my computer monitor recently and although I am using DVI it also has a VGA port.

Back to topic, you will not gain any better quality from a DVD than what you currently get using HDMI. Keep it simple. Just use HDMI between your BD player and TV for both DVD and Bluray and let the player and TV do the guesswork.


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reply to floydb1982
As I stated previously, it's not the format as much as it is the source. Not too mention that DVD is 480P. Composite or S-Video analog outputs are 480i.

DVD is digital. So you are starting with a digital format, the player is converting it to analog interlaced (for composite or S-Video output), then the display is converting the analog input back to a digital progressive for display.

Depending on the quality of the player and TV, there will very likely be a noticeable difference between the two inputs. Test and see.

In any case, why run multiple cables when a single cable can be used for everything?

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