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Kid says our "laptop sucks for FPS". Why so?

And what is this "less powerful" pc?

O bet you the gpu is less powerful, the cpu is slower... and the screen is larger...

But with no info... who knows.

The first issue is you are assuming 6770 = better than 5xxx
Next is you are assuming i7 = better than i5.

If you do not want to give the specs of this "better" desktop (so I can tell you how much slower the laptop is) then pointless thread is pointless.

You are comparing the laptop to the desktop yet we can not compare the specs.

If they are "close" then you should see performance that is close, if not we know we have an issue (driver, program running in the background, settings, etc) how ever if the laptop is 2x as slow as the desktop and the fps are 2x as low we know everything is working as intended.

You do not list specs, games, etc.

So if you like, we will forget about the PC, the pc should get great FPS in killing floor, and crap fps in MW3.

Just as a tease.

»www.videocardbenchmark.net/video···HD+6770M

6770m

»www.videocardbenchmark.net/video···+HD+5770

5770

Golly gosh, the 5770 out performs the 6770...

And a 6770

»www.videocardbenchmark.net/video···+HD+6770

O and hahahaaaaaz

5870

»www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.p···+HD+5870

O ya higher score is better, scores are not exact however a change of 100points is negligible, a change of 500 is something for sure.

reply to pulp46
Is the laptop on wireless? Could it be a connection issue?

Thank you Matt and Jay. I have some reading to do, cool benchmark tests.
Yes, the laptop is wired for best performance gaming.

reply to pulp46
If you look you will see why I want the info on the desktop pc, 6xxx does not = better than 5xxx.

Just like your i5 might run stock 2.9 with a turbo of 3+ your i7 is 2.0...

reply to pulp46
Part of the problem is that the model numbers for mobile graphics does not have a performance parity with the equivalent desktop model; in many cases, the high end mobile part is usually only as fast as the mid-range, or entry-level of the high-end series of the desktop graphics chips available. It helps that many are possible to have more video RAM than the same chips on desktop cards, but then you also deal with the fact that most notebook manufacturers will charge an arm and a leg for the privilege.

NVIDIA and ATI (now AMD) have both tried to make upgradeable graphics form factors for several years with each respective generation of tech; the problem is none of the manufacturers will ever bite on them, and will instead insist on being able to solder on the graphics chips and make them irreplaceable...

And even in the case now of actual, functional technologies like Optimus and AMD's equivalent for switching off discrete graphics to save on battery power, you then have where the notebooks with high-end graphics never support this tech either...

If you want to blame anyone for the clusterf*ck of a situation for finding a solid, capable notebook anywhere at any price... you need only blame the ODMs responsible.
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Because, f*ck Sony

reply to pulp46
Dont forget about the HDD speed. Laptops many times do not have the best drives. even your basic Western Digital Black will blow a non SSD notebook drive clean out of the water.

Many games load content on the fly off the HDD(this is why Raptors and SSDs are praised by gamers) even an FPS might not stuff the entire map into RAM. Even the faster GPU(in theory) wont have the same amount of bandwidth on a mobile platform.

example 2: Laptop PCIe Lane Width for video.
Chipset Model: AMD Radeon HD 6750M
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x8
VRAM (Total): 1024 MB
Vendor: ATI (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x6741
Revision ID: 0x0000
ROM Revision: 113-C0170L-573
gMux Version: 1.9.23
EFI Driver Version: 01.00.573

This is from my 2011 model Mac Book Pro. this is a good GPU but I bet my older desktop that I now hook to my HDTV as a spare PC will do better in games because its Geforce 285 GTX sits on a PCIe 16x slot. meaning the CPU and other related can send lots more data to the card.

id be surprised if the HP laptop actually has PCIe 16x for its video.
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Thunderbolt is taking bandwidth away from the GPU in that MacBook.

Then why do we still in this day and age, put up with "you must leave the disc in" while playing when most PC games load all of their data onto the hard drive in installation to begin with? It'd make sense if it was just a minimal install like back in Q3A when most of the data was still on the CD.
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Because, f*ck Sony

reply to Kearnstd
No laptop hdd speed does not matter

Also, ya you dont need 16x, the difference between 8x and 16x is.... nothing as far as FPS go... the cards do not use all the bandwidth yet.

It takes a couple of GPU generations before the bandwidth difference does matter. When it was the x800 and 6800, the added bandwidth of PCI-E 1.* 16x over 8x didn't matter. Now, even trying to do the same with a GTX 2** card would cut about a quarter of the available performance.

Tom's hardware did a pretty nice writeup way back when, by basically showing the difference via taping up the pins so that the cards would show up and electronically only use x8, x4, then x1 bandwidth. IIRC they used a GTX 480 at the time and at x1... it was so bad, you'd think you were looking at intel GMA performance.
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Because, f*ck Sony

reply to pulp46
Did you try checking the power/performance options for the machine itself? Most notebooks are set to power saving options by default to save power. I've heard this to be a culprit of crappy performance in the past.

reply to C0deZer0
the difference between 8x and 16x is next to nothing. This is not a debate it is a fact.

»www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVID···Scaling/

»www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVID···/23.html

»www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVID···g/7.html lol @ 4x being almost the same.

So as I said... 8x to 16x is not something you will notice. Hell even 4x is something that you very likely will not notice.

Omg lolololol

»www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVID···/10.html 4x BEAT 16x

Tom's hardware would like to have a word with you.

I don't know about you, but losing 1/4 of the performance by simply not having a single card in a full-speed PCI-E slot is not exactly smart... it's dumb. And pretty unnecessary to put yourself through if you can help it.
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Because, f*ck Sony

I am not interested in the graph and this is between 8x and 16x, not 4x.

As my links show...

»www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pci···6-6.html normal reses show NO difference... 44.7 43.7 and I see no margin of error listed...

»www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pci···-12.html

202fps
195fps (again lolwut?)

The ONLY game that showed any REAL difference was
»www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pci···6-5.html

185 down to 150... but still WAY over 60fps.

So please show me what game shows a REAL WORLD difference between 8x and 16x. I found one in your link, and it is way over 60fps still.

The point here was the reply was not even to you, but the mac loler saying that 16x = HUGE difference... the OP is NOT going to see a difference in that laptop if it was 8x or 16x... and really even 4x as the OP has no 480. So that is not the issue at hand unless for some reason it is running 1x.

That whole end graph is changed by one crap console port.

Got my answer! Problem was an update to the AMD CCC. I tried rolling back CCC's and system restores, to no avail. So I did it, yep, a System Recovery. Bingo bango, superduper fast and smooth, just like before.

YEah, Windows Updates and the manual checking of CCC wants an update but my son is under strict orders to NOT install optional updates......... ever. Well, until things stop working.

Thanks guys, case closed!

Cool thing you got it fixed, I would have guessed drivers (it is an amd) if the other pc was similar yet still seeing a huge drop in fps on the laptop. Never can have TMI =p

Is it a NOT uncommon thing with gamers to avoid CCC updates unless absolutely necessary and the glitches presumably worked out? If so, I learned the hard way!