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Re: WOW said by decifal:said by meeeeeeeeee:Seemingly intelligent thought from the White House. Haven't seen THAT in decades... must have been an accident...
Duh, an election is coming up.. Of course they will pretend to care for the people this year  If reelected though, go buy all the KY you can find and horde it!! Internet ID here we come! Yet, its soo hard to establish voter ID without somehow magically disenfranchising undead, illegals :-/ Ecept for the fact that there is no proof of wide-spread voter fraud or an inability of the laws we already have to deal with those very, very rare instances where it has happened.
Troll harder...
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| said by coldmoon:said by decifal:said by meeeeeeeeee:Seemingly intelligent thought from the White House. Haven't seen THAT in decades... must have been an accident...
Duh, an election is coming up.. Of course they will pretend to care for the people this year If reelected though, go buy all the KY you can find and horde it!! Internet ID here we come! Yet, its soo hard to establish voter ID without somehow magically disenfranchising undead, illegals :-/ Ecept for the fact that there is no proof of wide-spread voter fraud or an inability of the laws we already have to deal with those very, very rare instances where it has happened. Troll harder... Right, so the votes that came in that were from people that have been deceased weren't proof enough? Seriously how are you gonna vote in a primary if you've been dead for 6 years? This was a constant turn up problem in 2008 and i'm not gonna be surprised to see it turn up again..
Iowa this year stated that they would not let one of the candidates win at any cost. You can be smug smug all you want. This system is not bullet proof.. Do I dare bring up Acorn?
Then again if your gonna defend those types there's no real talking to ya anyways because it wouldn't matter if this country fell or not in your eyes..
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| said by decifal:Right, so the votes that came in that were from people that have been deceased weren't proof enough? Seriously how are you gonna vote in a primary if you've been dead for 6 years? This was a constant turn up problem in 2008 and i'm not gonna be surprised to see it turn up again..
Iowa this year stated that they would not let one of the candidates win at any cost. You can be smug smug all you want. This system is not bullet proof.. Do I dare bring up Acorn?
Then again if your gonna defend those types there's no real talking to ya anyways because it wouldn't matter if this country fell or not in your eyes..
Cheers
Wow - hyperbole much?
Please, provide one reputable study that shows anything different than what I just said. Even the MSM notes this every time they interview anyone trying to push this debunked theory in an attempt to rationalize their moves to push through extremest voting laws that do nothing other than disenfranchising the elderly, the young, and anyone else who has a different view than they have.
The only thing you MIGHT have a point about is where some states allow anyone to vote in primaries regardless of their affiliation with the party having the primary. Given the fact that what's good for the goose is also good for the gander, it falls flat once looked at closely...
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| Many news sites have removed many I'm guessing due to the amount of time passed, but for some light reading:
»online.wsj.com/article/SB1241827···435.html
»pjmedia.com/blog/the-complete-gu···r-fraud/
»www.judicialwatch.org/press-room···igation/
This one i'm not soo sure about, and the link in the page to the news source has been changed so it doesn't follow anywhere, but what the hell:
»angrywhitedude.com/2008/10/the-l···r-obama/
Something that botheres me is that just with a couple states having fraud tends to set in motion the next president of the country.. Like Mitt winning Iowa and NH. People are already handing him the crown. But when later on if they find out that in fact, say Santorum won Iowa instead how will it be reflected? It won't, simple as that.. Things can easily be manipulated to shape someone to be the GOP/DEM primary within a couple small states knowing that a back count will not happen anytime soon to hault the hype that is who the lead person is.. |
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Horseshit.
I grew up in Alabama, where it's par for the course for party hacks (all Democrats) to troll absentee ballots through nursing homes and "vote" in the names of the Alzheimer's patients. It's been public knowledge in that state for decades (although the press won't report on it because it would adversely affect their preferred political party). Arthur Davis, a black Democrat and former member of the US House very courageously talked about it just this year.
»dailycaller.com/2011/11/21/democ···d-video/
Lyndon Johnson stole his first election to Congress, and JFK only got elected thanks to ranks of dead people "voting" in Chicago. But I guess that's not "credible" enough if it adversely affects YOUR preferred political party. |
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| said by Ghirsted :Horseshit.
I grew up in Alabama, where it's par for the course for party hacks (all Democrats) to troll absentee ballots through nursing homes and "vote" in the names of the Alzheimer's patients. It's been public knowledge in that state for decades (although the press won't report on it because it would adversely affect their preferred political party). Arthur Davis, a black Democrat and former member of the US House very courageously talked about it just this year.
»dailycaller.com/2011/11/21/democ···d-video/
Lyndon Johnson stole his first election to Congress, and JFK only got elected thanks to ranks of dead people "voting" in Chicago. But I guess that's not "credible" enough if it adversely affects YOUR preferred political party.
So why were they not prosecuted under existing law? My point is that there is no need for more legislation when effective use of existing laws is sufficient to deal with cases such as those you list.
The problem in your examples is corruption and apathy, not a lack of tools to prosecute that corruption...
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| said by coldmoon:said by Ghirsted :Horseshit.
I grew up in Alabama, where it's par for the course for party hacks (all Democrats) to troll absentee ballots through nursing homes and "vote" in the names of the Alzheimer's patients. It's been public knowledge in that state for decades (although the press won't report on it because it would adversely affect their preferred political party). Arthur Davis, a black Democrat and former member of the US House very courageously talked about it just this year.
»dailycaller.com/2011/11/21/democ···d-video/
Lyndon Johnson stole his first election to Congress, and JFK only got elected thanks to ranks of dead people "voting" in Chicago. But I guess that's not "credible" enough if it adversely affects YOUR preferred political party.
So why were they not prosecuted under existing law? My point is that there is no need for more legislation when effective use of existing laws is sufficient to deal with cases such as those you list. The problem in your examples is corruption and apathy, not a lack of tools to prosecute that corruption... Actually the problem is that prosecuting voter fraud is a losing game for the prosecutors. The penalties aren't very severe (the politicians wrote the laws that way intentionally), and the prosecutors are either on the side of the party that committed the fraud (and so even if they're honest, are under severe pressure not to prosecute) or they're branded by the offending party and its media sycophants as "racist."
I love the idea that Chicago vote fraud would be "prosecuted under existing law." Ever been to Chicago? Or Milwaukee? Guess who's in charge of enforcing those laws?
Right--elected officials whose party benefits from vote fraud. |
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... The penalties aren't very severe...
Political fraud and corruption does get prosecuted, why else would there be a special Illinois governor's wing at the Federal Penn...?
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... The penalties aren't very severe...
Political fraud and corruption does get prosecuted, why else would there be a special Illinois governor's wing at the Federal Penn...? Political corruption =! vote fraud. Prosecutors can make their careers by busting politicians filling their own pockets. |
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| said by Filbbetigibb :said by coldmoon: quote:
... The penalties aren't very severe...
Political fraud and corruption does get prosecuted, why else would there be a special Illinois governor's wing at the Federal Penn...? Political corruption =! vote fraud. Prosecutors can make their careers by busting politicians filling their own pockets. Actually no, they are equivalent and work to degrade the same thing - our democracy and perpetrate fraud; and fraud has been on the books for a very long time...
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| said by coldmoon:Actually no, they are equivalent and work to degrade the same thing - our democracy and perpetrate fraud; and fraud has been on the books for a very long time...
In theory, that's correct. In practice, you're living in a dream world. |
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said by coldmoon:said by Ghirsted :Horseshit.
I grew up in Alabama, where it's par for the course for party hacks (all Democrats) to troll absentee ballots through nursing homes and "vote" in the names of the Alzheimer's patients. It's been public knowledge in that state for decades (although the press won't report on it because it would adversely affect their preferred political party). Arthur Davis, a black Democrat and former member of the US House very courageously talked about it just this year.
»dailycaller.com/2011/11/21/democ···d-video/
Lyndon Johnson stole his first election to Congress, and JFK only got elected thanks to ranks of dead people "voting" in Chicago. But I guess that's not "credible" enough if it adversely affects YOUR preferred political party.
So why were they not prosecuted under existing law? My point is that there is no need for more legislation when effective use of existing laws is sufficient to deal with cases such as those you list. The problem in your examples is corruption and apathy, not a lack of tools to prosecute that corruption... You're avoiding the issue. When it's trivially easy to vote without proving that you're even a citizen, much less registered (and with no consequences), vote fraud is virtually guaranteed.
It's a legal requirement to show ID to buy a gun (a right guaranteed by the Constitution no less than voting) or board an aircraft. Suggesting that it's somehow unconstitutional (much less "racist") for the same minimal requirement to be levied on voters is, as the Supreme Court has already ruled, ridiculous. |
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You're avoiding the issue. When it's trivially easy to vote without proving that you're even a citizen, much less registered (and with no consequences), vote fraud is virtually guaranteed.
And you are as well - please, back up what you are saying with actual statistics with data. All that has been shown is anecdotal and though it made it to media attention, does not provide any information about the entire population or how wide spread the "problem" actually is...
Every time I have moved during the 8 times I have participated in a presidential election as a voter, in two different states, I have had to prove that I was a resident in order to register to vote. This goes back to Uncle Ronny ray-gun and predates any of the current nonsense by a wide margin.
It has been my experience that the voter registration process has been well controlled; which coincidentally is also anecdotal and leaves this debate in the same place without having access to a truly independent study of the subject on a national basis.
So the ball is in your court now as extraordinary charges require extraordinary evidence to prove what you are claiming...
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