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rustycruiser

join:2009-12-30
Cockeysville, MD
reply to joeyj

Re: [IMG] 1.9 Likes / Dislikes & Bugs

said by joeyj :

said by rustycruiser:

I long for a Remove All or Delete All in the "Recent Deletes" section of the DVR like the "History" section has.

Why ?

Because deleting each "deleted" program individually takes far too long at 3 or 4 clicks per.

robertf390

join:2011-04-16
Nesconset, NY
reply to More Fiber
I am probably in the minority here but I absolutely love the 1.9 upgrade and have no issues with the colors, functionality or set-up. I found most of the processes well thought out and just needed a little bit of playing around with to get the full effect of what it does.

The only issue I have had, (other than the long roll-out issue here in NY) and I emphasize it is very minor, is while channel surfing the box sometimes freezes which only requires turning off and then back on. This has been very infrequent and considering the overall improvement, easy to live with.

Congrats to the Verizon programmers and Beta testers on getting this to work so well. Great job!

floridafuzz
Premium
join:2008-02-23
Hope, RI
reply to UnnDunn
thanks for the info! I will try that.
is there any way to shorten the delay that the tv is causing?


keyboards

join:2001-02-14
Doylestown, PA
said by floridafuzz:

thanks for the info! I will try that.
is there any way to shorten the delay that the tv is causing?

Not unless there is a firmware update for the TV that speeds up the decoding and resolution switching. Keep in mind that you flat panel always displays in ITS native resolution and has to convert any "foreign" resolution (like 480i).

Typically the only way to speed up a TV resolution change is a newer TV with a faster processor
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REMEMBER: Stupidity should be painful !!


matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY
reply to floridafuzz
I believe all TV's have that delay when switching resolutions, the only way to shorten is to set the box to receive all channels at the same resolution, no native.

UnnDunn
Premium
join:2005-12-21
Brooklyn, NY
reply to floridafuzz
said by floridafuzz:

thanks for the info! I will try that.
is there any way to shorten the delay that the tv is causing?

Not really. It is inherent to your TV's design and processing.


joeyj

@verizon.net
reply to rustycruiser
said by rustycruiser:

said by joeyj :

said by rustycruiser:

I long for a Remove All or Delete All in the "Recent Deletes" section of the DVR like the "History" section has.

Why ?

Because deleting each "deleted" program individually takes far too long at 3 or 4 clicks per.

But why not just let them delete by themselves ?


Jackarino
YacCity
Premium
join:2006-12-28
Allendale, NJ
kudos:1
reply to More Fiber
Likes:
Full screen guide
Nicer UI

Dislikes:
Not full screen on 6xxx box (understandable)

rustycruiser

join:2009-12-30
Cockeysville, MD
reply to joeyj
said by joeyj :

But why not just let them delete by themselves ?

Hard drives are happier and perform better when they are empty, rather than full. I don't need 30 "deleted" programs clogging up my available disk space, especially 30 HD shows or movies. That is a lot of space. If I delete something, I want it to be gone.


joe01880

join:2007-10-26
Wakefield, MA
reply to matcarl
said by matcarl:

I believe all TV's have that delay when switching resolutions, the only way to shorten is to set the box to receive all channels at the same resolution, no native.

modern HD TV's are upconverting the signal to the TV's native resolution anyway so why not just set it up so there is no delay when switching between resolutions. I have used native and i have used 1080i and switched to 720p for channels passed in 720p on both the 7232 and my TiVo's. I'm not seeing any notable difference on my Sony NX810..thats upconverting the signal to 1080p anyway!


joe01880

join:2007-10-26
Wakefield, MA

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reply to rustycruiser
said by rustycruiser:

said by joeyj :

But why not just let them delete by themselves ?

Hard drives are happier and perform better when they are empty, rather than full. I don't need 30 "deleted" programs clogging up my available disk space, especially 30 HD shows or movies. That is a lot of space. If I delete something, I want it to be gone.

huh? hard drives do not get happy or sad and if they are empty they are not doing anything in a DVR. In a DVR something is contantly being written cached and dumped or recorded and saved. It is the inherent nature of the mechanical beast to fail as it wears. What will hurt it most would be being turned on (heated up) then off (cooled down). It is the job of the DVR HDD to store..if it was going to be "happy" it would be "happiest" doing its job as intended.
It will be interesting as time pass's to see what those who are using external hard drives have to say as those start to fail. To see what symptoms the DVR itself starts to have.
With a TiVo the external drives are married together and shows are recorded to both at the same time. If the external fails its sometime a bear diagnosing it. The external cannot be removed from the TiVo, doing so will result in a loss of all saved material.
Understanding the external can be removed from the FiOS DVR's I am wondering what problems will arrise as those externals start to fail down the road. Hopefully none!

UnnDunn
Premium
join:2005-12-21
Brooklyn, NY
reply to rustycruiser
said by rustycruiser:

said by joeyj :

But why not just let them delete by themselves ?

Hard drives are happier and perform better when they are empty, rather than full. I don't need 30 "deleted" programs clogging up my available disk space, especially 30 HD shows or movies. That is a lot of space. If I delete something, I want it to be gone.

You do realize that even if you delete a show from the "deleted items" menu, that it isn't really gone, right? No filesystem actually physically deletes data like that, because it takes too long.

dcborn61

join:2001-02-14
Bethesda, MD
I have had a "pause bug" since I got the 1.9a upgrade. About half the time when I pause either live TV or a recording, the box will freeze and become unresponsive to pressing play. Only way to get out of it is to change channel or go to another recording. @fiostv Joe has acknowledged the existence of the bug and said they are working on it. But that was months ago.

O1OOO1O

join:2005-12-23
Lewisville, TX
said by dcborn61:

I have had a "pause bug" since I got the 1.9a upgrade. About half the time when I pause either live TV or a recording, the box will freeze and become unresponsive to pressing play. Only way to get out of it is to change channel or go to another recording. @fiostv Joe has acknowledged the existence of the bug and said they are working on it. But that was months ago.

Soft power off, then back on the DVR (hit the STB Power button). That will fix it too.


ggma1126
GGMA1126
Premium
join:2008-08-30
Claymont, DE
reply to joe01880
Joe01880

had an external fail - lost all recorded programs - same thing will happen if box fails as drive is mapped to that particular box - it would be so much better if external was mapped to your account and not the box itself -

ChrisUK

join:2008-08-28
Falls Church, VA
reply to More Fiber
I get picture interference (break-up/jagged lines) for half a second or so at least once on almost every recording since the upgrade to 1.9. I've seen it mentioned by others, so I know it is not my hardware.

Seems like a significant bug that should have been picked up in beta testing.

Chris


TitusTroy

join:2009-06-18
New York, NY
reply to joe01880
said by joe01880:

modern HD TV's are upconverting the signal to the TV's native resolution anyway so why not just set it up so there is no delay when switching between resolutions. I have used native and i have used 1080i and switched to 720p for channels passed in 720p on both the 7232 and my TiVo's. I'm not seeing any notable difference on my Sony NX810..thats upconverting the signal to 1080p anyway!

for me it's all about watching the channel/program in its native resolution...ABC and FOX are 720p channels while most others are 1080i, so why would I want programs on those channels upconverted?...it might not make a huge difference in terms of PQ but there is definitely a difference...you always want something to be displayed the way it was intended to be and not altered with at all

I don't care at all about the slight delay when changing between 720p/1080i...it's worth it to get the 'best' image quality

floridafuzz
Premium
join:2008-02-23
Hope, RI
reply to joe01880
joe01880- please explain a little bit more- do you have native pass through set on your 7232 or is it set to upconvert everything to 1080i which is the default HD setting I believe. Also- I though I read somewhere in another thread that fios does not broadcast in 1080p yet. is your sony changing the signal from the set top box from 720p or 1080i to 1080P?


matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY
said by floridafuzz:

is your sony changing the signal from the set top box from 720p or 1080i to 1080P?

All 1080p sets will do that


joe01880

join:2007-10-26
Wakefield, MA
reply to floridafuzz
said by floridafuzz:

joe01880- please explain a little bit more- do you have native pass through set on your 7232 or is it set to upconvert everything to 1080i which is the default HD setting I believe. Also- I though I read somewhere in another thread that fios does not broadcast in 1080p yet. is your sony changing the signal from the set top box from 720p or 1080i to 1080P?

FiOS to my knowledge does not pass anything in 1080p. The native resolution of my TV is 1080p and therefore it upconverts all incoming signals to 1080p. There's no way around that,its going to do that whether i want it to or not. Understand this is still only going to look as good as the source its coming from.

I had tried setting the 7232 to pass signals untouched by processing by the FiOS DVR, honestly the only difference i saw was those my TV was making when switching to accomadate that setting. A lag of video and audio for a few seconds as the TV does internal switching. I dont like it so i leave the FiOS 7232 set to send everything as 1080i, the 1080p conversion my TV makes is seemless.
FiOS PQ is excellent with these settings.The main reason for passing through content unprocessed is to reduce aritfacts and to improve PQ. FiOS is not adding compression, again to my knowledge, so the sgnal is pretty clean. Its very good on my Sony NX810 and come accross equally as nice through my TiVo which is also set to 1080i.

Understand all of this is personal preference, what i might like someone else may not and vice versa.

In the chain, the 7232..and TiVo is set 1080i, from the STB's the signal goes into my reciever which is set to pass through (no video processing) and from the reciever the signal goes into my NX810 via HDMI 1 which does its own processing thing upconverting the signal to 1080p..something i have no control over. I can mess with other things like contrast, brightness etc..i dont. I had my TV pro calibrated and like the settings. They were very close to what i had come up with on my own but im a tweaker so i muck with it all the time always in search of perfection.

Here is a very interesting easy to understand article on the whole 1080i-1080p and everything in between, how it works and the B/S people want you to believe about it all...enjoy

»www.hometheaterhifi.com/technica···ned.html


TitusTroy

join:2009-06-18
New York, NY

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reply to floridafuzz
said by floridafuzz:

Also- I though I read somewhere in another thread that fios does not broadcast in 1080p yet

no channels broadcast in 1080p...1080i is the highest native resolution...I think DirectTV has a 1080p movie channel but not positive...if you want 'real' 1080p you need to watch Blu-ray's

floridafuzz
Premium
join:2008-02-23
Hope, RI
reply to joe01880
joe01880- thank you very much for explaining it in more detail. I had my 7100 p1's and 7232 set on the default of 1080i and the picture quality was fine. I just got 1.9 and tried native pass through and I don't know if it is my imagination, but the picture quality looks even better. my tv's are all HD. I tweaked my panny plasma with settings I found posted on avsforums. Did the pro calibration make a big difference and do you feel it was worth the investment?

floridafuzz
Premium
join:2008-02-23
Hope, RI
reply to TitusTroy
thank you, we enjoy watching movies and tv series and pick them up in blu-ray whenever possible to get the best picture quality.


joe01880

join:2007-10-26
Wakefield, MA

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reply to floridafuzz
said by floridafuzz:

joe01880- thank you very much for explaining it in more detail. I had my 7100 p1's and 7232 set on the default of 1080i and the picture quality was fine. I just got 1.9 and tried native pass through and I don't know if it is my imagination, but the picture quality looks even better. my tv's are all HD. I tweaked my panny plasma with settings I found posted on avsforums. Did the pro calibration make a big difference and do you feel it was worth the investment?

Im not one to say yes..go out and get your TV pro calibrated..its a lot of money and im not gonna spend your money..as much as i am able and would like to

Becareful who you hire to calibrate your TV if you go that route, there are good ones and bad ones..research them first.
CNET is another good source for TV settings. In the end its all about what you like best. An important thing is to give your eye and brain time to adjust to what ever setting you use.


altermatt
Premium
join:2004-01-22
White Plains, NY
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to More Fiber
More annoyances that anything horrible:

1. On NON-HD sets (so I don't think it's related to changing resolution as has been mentioned here) there is sometimes a LONG pause when changing channels, going from one SD channel to another.
2. When I'm on a favorite channel and hit the favorites button to get the guide that just shows my 8 favorites, it always starts not on the channel I'm watching (as previously and sensibly) but on the channel futher down. A PITA. I know this was mentioned in the old thread, so I'm not the only one, and it hasn't been fixed.
3. I hear ya that the sudden loss of CID is not supposedly related to the upgrade, but it did happen synchronously with that. Still don't have it back, despite doing the "disable, then enable" dance that has worked in the past.
4. In the old guide, hitting the skip forward button brought you to the same time on the next day; now you have to hit the regular forward button instead. This isn't really a problem, but it took a while before I figured that out---the change certainly makes no sense.
5. I'm seeing less in the guide rather than more, and it seems a lot slower scrolling, so that it delays and then catches up with my clicks, usually taking beyond where I wanted to go .

That's my main beef with the upgrade---at this point (maybe because I don't have very fancy equipment) I'm seeing no benefits and just a lot of niggling annoyances.
--
The truth of a thing is the feel of it, not the think of it. -- Stanley Kubrick


matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY
#1-What do you mean by non-HD set? Is the TV not HD or the box? What box do you have?
#2-is annoying, but will be fixed in 1.9.1


WileEC
mindtaker, macky cat, etc.

join:2002-02-07
Yonkers, NY
reply to tnsprin
I think the colors suck. Especially the similiarity between reds for movies and children's shows. What was verizon thinking? Why use only dark shades of red, blue and green? What about yellow? What about orange? It should be instantly clear what type of shows are which, but it is not.


joe01880

join:2007-10-26
Wakefield, MA
said by WileEC:

I think the colors suck. Especially the similiarity between reds for movies and children's shows. What was verizon thinking? Why use only dark shades of red, blue and green? What about yellow? What about orange? It should be instantly clear what type of shows are which, but it is not.

it looks as if Verizon is dancing between hue's that color blind people may have trouble with. They are doing a good job of it too!

DaveR5

join:2007-07-17
reply to joe01880
said by joe01880:

I had tried setting the 7232 to pass signals untouched by processing by the FiOS DVR, honestly the only difference i saw was those my TV was making when switching to accomadate that setting. A lag of video and audio for a few seconds as the TV does internal switching. I dont like it so i leave the FiOS 7232 set to send everything as 1080i, the 1080p conversion my TV makes is seemless.

Whether you see a difference is dependent on the TV. In any case it will be subtle.

For me, native has improved the PQ on 720p and SD channels. My Panasonic Plasma TV does a better job upconverting these signals to its native 1080p than the Motorola box. I accept the lag as a tradeoff. I doubt many people would be able to tell the difference in PQ but I can.

nickyboy4

join:2008-07-24
Farmingdale, NY
said by DaveR5:

said by joe01880:

I had tried setting the 7232 to pass signals untouched by processing by the FiOS DVR, honestly the only difference i saw was those my TV was making when switching to accomadate that setting. A lag of video and audio for a few seconds as the TV does internal switching. I dont like it so i leave the FiOS 7232 set to send everything as 1080i, the 1080p conversion my TV makes is seemless.

Whether you see a difference is dependent on the TV. In any case it will be subtle.

For me, native has improved the PQ on 720p and SD channels. My Panasonic Plasma TV does a better job upconverting these signals to its native 1080p than the Motorola box. I accept the lag as a tradeoff. I doubt many people would be able to tell the difference in PQ but I can.

I also have a Pany plasma and cant stand the lag as I filp around alot, neither can my wife. To be honest I cant see a difference anyway. I looked forward to having native pass thru but no big deal.