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mouse
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join:2007-03-29
australia

IE 8 Update for Windows XP - again?

just wondering why windows update wants to convince me to download and install IE 8 as a security update when I already have this installed. Checking for windows updates via IE 8.0.6001.18702 - and noticed the little icon in the taskbar this morning.

Thinking it may be just a partial update, I actually allowed it, only to see that it started from scratch and then messed up my system, losing all internet connectivity. Fortunately I was able to roll back to the previous system state, so no harm done.

Still, why should this component even appear in Windows updates as a High Priority download when the browser used to check is the same one?


Cudni
La Merma - Vigilado
Premium,MVM
join:2003-12-20
Someshire
kudos:13

What was the update it offered you? Did you check in WU history list if that update was already there?

Cudni



mouse
Premium
join:2007-03-29
australia

Cudni,

the update is internet explorer 8 for Windows XP - size 16.1MB - since I am already having IE 8 installed, I don't know why this is being offered again.



psafux
Premium,VIP
join:2005-11-10
kudos:2

reply to mouse
I would uninstall IE8 from the system and let WU reinstall it. Uninstalling IE8 will roll back to IE7, it doesn't remove IE completely (which is practically impossible as its ingrained into the OS).



Cudni
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Someshire
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reply to mouse
just set it to hide. can be any number of reasons, from simple error to some corruption in local wu store

Cudni



mouse
Premium
join:2007-03-29
australia

done that - let's see what happens when the next real updates or patches for IE8 are coming through



a4dble

@dodo.com.au

I also got the update reminder, it also says "More information for this update can be found at »go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=71727" I tried this link and it doesn't exist.

Stupid WU



rcdailey
Dragoonfly
Premium
join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA

said by a4dble :

I also got the update reminder, it also says "More information for this update can be found at »go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=71727" I tried this link and it doesn't exist.

Stupid WU

The link works for me with Firefox, but it's just a link to the page where you can download IE8, and there's no obvious way to tell why you would be directed there. This is the page I get when I insert the link you posted: »windows.microsoft.com/en-US/inte···/ie/home
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redwolfe_98
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join:2001-06-11
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reply to mouse
it was mentioned recently that microsoft was going to try to force-install IE 8 (or IE 9, if you are running windows 7) through windows automatic updater.. i suppose that is why you are seeing the IE 8 update being offered through windows automatic updater.. but, if IE 8 is already installed, i suppose the system is flawed.. or, maybe if you allowed IE 8 to be installed, through windows automatic updater, windows automatic update mechanism would then recognize that IE 8 was already installed and then register it as being installed, without actually running the install, since it was already installed..

here is one article that discusses MS's plans to install IE 8 (or IE 9) through windows automatic updater:

»windowsteamblog.com/ie/b/ie/arch···s-7.aspx



mouse
Premium
join:2007-03-29
australia

I got two further alerts on other pc for IE8 - in one case the pc is hardly used and certainly not for browsing is indeed running IE7 but the other pc already has IE8 installed (same as the pc with the original issue).

I think for the time being, I will just hide the updates and ignore them.


De Astra

join:2005-06-04
Australia

reply to mouse
Same issue here. Update is now hidden. Must...not...lose...Internet...ughnnn


Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
kudos:4

reply to redwolfe_98
I think it hilarious that Microsoft is forcing this update because IE 6 was the ONLY browser to GAIN market share for worldwide desktop browsers in January. XP also GAINED market share in January. All other browsers LOST market share.

»arstechnica.com/business/news/20···alls.ars

This forced update will not kill IE6 or XP which is the reason Microsoft is trying to force IE update. I was not going to use the Microsoft block to stop the updating since I don't use Automatic Updates (that service has been disabled on XP since I got this computer years ago) or Windows Updates site. So, I didn't think it was necessary for me to block Microsoft from updating my ancient IE6 that I use only for speed tests occasionally. However, that link of yours says Microsoft will automatically update IE if I go to Microsoft Download site (not Windows Update site) for something else! I didn't know that! So, I am about to download the blocking mechanism. Thank you for that link as I would have been furious if I had gone to Microsoft Download site without the IE update block and Microsoft had updated IE 6.
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Name Game
Premium
join:2002-07-07
North Myrtle Beach, SC
kudos:6

reply to mouse
Toolkit to Disable Automatic Delivery of Internet Explorer 8
Overview
To help our customers become more secure and up-to-date, Microsoft will distribute Windows Internet Explorer 8 as a high-priority update through Automatic Updates for Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) and higher, Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, Windows Server 2003 SP2 for x64 and x86 and as an Important class update for Windows Vista for x64 and x86, Windows Vista SP1 for x64 and x86, and Windows Server 2008 for x64 and x86.
This Blocker Toolkit is made available to those who would like to block automatic delivery of Internet Explorer 8 to machines in environments where Automatic Updates is enabled. The Blocker Toolkit will not expire.

Note:

For computers running Windows XP or Windows Server 2003, the Blocker Toolkit prevents the machine from receiving Internet Explorer 8 as a high-priority update via Automatic Updates and the Express install option on the Windows Update and Microsoft Update sites; Internet Explorer 8 will be listed as an optional update with the Custom install option.
For computers running Windows Vista or Windows Server 2008, the Blocker Toolkit prevents the machine from receiving Internet Explorer 8 as an important update via Automatic Updates on the Windows Update and Microsoft Update sites; Internet Explorer 8 will be listed as an optional update.
The Blocker Toolkit will not prevent users from manually installing Internet Explorer 8 as a Recommended update from the Windows Update or Microsoft Update sites, from the Microsoft Download Center, or from external media.
Organizations do not need to deploy the Blocker Toolkit in environments managed with an update management solution such as Windows Server Update Services or Systems Management Server 2003. Organizations can use those products to fully manage deployment of updates released through Windows Update and Microsoft Update, including Internet Explorer 8, within their environment.
If you used the Blocker Toolkit to block Internet Explorer 7 from being installed as a high-priority update, you need to use the Internet Explorer 8 version of the Blocker Toolkit to block Internet Explorer 8 from being installed. There are different registry keys used to block or unblock automatic delivery of Internet Explorer 7 and Internet Explorer 8.

»www.microsoft.com/download/en/de···id=14149

The Internet Explorer 6 Countdown
»www.ie6countdown.com/

The Internet Explorer 6 Countdown
Moving the world off Internet Explorer 6

»www.ie6countdown.com/champions.aspx
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Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
kudos:4

Yeah, that is what I just downloaded and used. I thought I could just click on the executable and be done, but that just flashed the command line window for a second. So, I opened a command window from Start/Run and scratched my head trying to remember how to get that executable in there. Finally, I grabbed it with the mouse and dropped it on the command window, whereupon, it gave instructions as to the correct syntax to use it properly. Then all I had to do was type in the command and it said IE8 was blocked. I then opened Regedit and checked to make sure it was there.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson



Name Game
Premium
join:2002-07-07
North Myrtle Beach, SC
kudos:6

Instructions
Click on the link to download the package and select ‘Run’ or ‘Open’. You will be asked to accept the end-user license agreement (EULA) before you gain access to the package contents. The package contains 4 different files.
Pick a location where you would like to place the 4 files above by clicking on ‘Browse’. Once you have specified the location to place the extracted files, click ‘Ok’.
Launch an elevated command prompt from Start -> All Programs -> Accessories -> Right click on “Command Prompt” -> Run as Administrator. Type “CD” followed by the path where you have extracted the 4 files in step 2 above.
In the command prompt, type “IE80Blocker.cmd /B” and hit enter to set the blocker on the machine.
You will see confirmation in the Command Prompt: “Blocking deployment of Internet Explorer 8 on the local machine. The operation completed successfully.” You can now close the Command Prompt window.
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»www.gladiator-antivirus.com/



Dude111
An Awesome Dude
Premium
join:2003-08-04
USA
kudos:10
Reviews:
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reply to Mele20

 

quote:
This forced update will not kill IE6 or XP which is the reason Microsoft is trying to force IE update.
No it wont Mele......

THEY HAVE JUST BECOME SO CONTROLLING THAT NOW THEY REALISE THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER USERS ON IE6 SO THEY WANT THEM ON NEWER VERSIONS WHERE THEY DO!


trparky
Apple... YUM
Premium,MVM
join:2000-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·Time Warner VOIP
·AT&T U-Verse

No, it's because they are indeed trying to kill Internet Explorer 6. Why? Because it's a web developer's horror, it's not standards compliant, etc.

Please, for God's sake and every web developer's sanity, please don't use IE6. Move onto something else. Firefox, Google Chrome, Chromium, Opera. Anything but IE6!
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Dude111
An Awesome Dude
Premium
join:2003-08-04
USA
kudos:10

Im sorry but i prefer my privacy and i know i can trust IE6 not to SEND MY DATA TO WHO KNOWS WHO!!



trparky
Apple... YUM
Premium,MVM
join:2000-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·Time Warner VOIP
·AT&T U-Verse

I can understand not using Google Chrome or Chromium because of Google. But Opera and Firefox? Those are two browsers that have been trusted for ages.

Internet Explorer not sending stuff back to Microsoft? LOL
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Smith6612
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join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:21
Reviews:
·Frontier Communi..
·Verizon Online DSL

reply to Dude111
Ya know, unless someone proves me wrong, you could just disable all of the IE8 Safe Browsing and downloading functions. That shouldn't report much of anything back to Microsoft at that point. IE6 I'm sure in it's stock state does report something back...

Let IE6 die already. The browser is garbage, it's losing support and it just needs to go. Use Firefox or Opera for crying out loud.


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