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Nick D
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join:2010-02-04
Orange, CA
reply to CpnObvious

Re: [Raiding] LFR asshattery

Tie breaks are rerolled behind the scenes. I actually got a Needy achievement on an alt that way, but lost the roll overall so I did not get the item.

How's that for programming.

Also, this might be obvious but CPN SIGHTED


CpnObvious

join:2010-05-05
Alexandria, VA
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...'this might be obvious'... oh, the agony.


Arthritis

join:2011-10-20
Canada
reply to CpnObvious
said by CpnObvious:

Apparently "need" includes the right to play loot distributor.

I'm seeing a lot of this in LFR lately, as I'm queing solo.

People are all rolling need on every single item they can, for what seems like:

1. A tradeable piece they can use to get what they actually want.
2. To shard. You want to see a place go apeshit, watch someone shard a need role.
3. To play loot distributor as they see fit (either solo or guild, and yes I participated in this in the past with my guild and I'm feeling the other side of it. Karma's a bitch..lol)
4. They actually need the item.

There definitely has to be some built in logic on loot distribution, and this would definitely help what is turning out to be a great feature in my mind, namely LFR.

I know last night a very solid run nearly went off the rails because of some problem with druids and the system not being able to differentiate between roles etc, and someone won an item they probably shouldn't have. Can't be more specific as I went for a coffee.

One bit of asshatery I'm seenig is people initiating vote kicks on everyone in their class prior to bosses that drop a particular piece they want. Honest to God, There was one Shammy that initated kicks on every other ele shammy in the group, and the resto's as well....tried to get 5 booted. I couldn't believe it. One ele in partiuclar was ripping the meters to shreds.


The0_o

join:2011-06-15
Silver Spring, MD
reply to The0_o
Another week another ass.

In fall of DW again, tanks once again, have no idea how to taunt down drakes, Me (on my hunter) and a Druid DPS are pulling them down....

DW drops the Agi Staff and a Moonkin wins it and drops group....

I need to start rolling with the guild again.
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djlar

join:2009-04-23
799228
reply to Arthritis
I'll say they should make most of the gear unique when possible, so if you have it equipped or in bags you can't loot it..

All except dual wieldable weapons, that's it...

Yeah tier tokens would be up for grabs anyway..


drew
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Port Orchard, WA
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This whole thing stinks of the frozen orb debacle in WotLK.

My first few trips through LFR I was pretty honest and not greedy. I wouldn't need on an item unless it was an upgrade and only if it was a "decent" one meaning no +5 haste kind of "upgrade."

Then I realized (as people started /w me) that everyone I was running with wasn't playing in the same loot system I was. Now I do the same damn thing because if I don't, the chances of me getting the upgrades are next to nothing.

I *always* give out the pieces I won and don't "need" and never roll need on something just to shard it.
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Kilroy
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Saint Paul, MN
I've seen a lot of kick votes for people "Needing" things that aren't designed for their class, healing cloaks for DPS casters and such.

I did lose a roll to an enchanter who had the same piece of gear equiped. That just ticked me off. Maybe you shouldn't be allowed to DE something that you rolled Need on.
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drew
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said by Kilroy:

Maybe you shouldn't be allowed to DE something that you rolled Need on.

Why not?
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McBrain
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join:2010-05-06
Kalimdor
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reply to Kilroy
If a DPS caster is rolling need on a healing cloak they won't get the +100 roll bonus for it...thereby making it impossible for them to win it over a healer.

Unless, of course, they are a sPriest, Boomkin, or Ele Shaman, in which case that "healer" cloak could be just as good for them, if not better.
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Kilroy
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reply to drew
said by drew:

said by Kilroy:

Maybe you shouldn't be allowed to DE something that you rolled Need on.

Why not?

To prevent enchanters from rolling need on things just to DE for mats. Don't get me wrong, I have an enchanter, but if I'm just going to DE it, I roll DE with everyone else. If you want to DE it, you ned to roll DE.
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The0_o

join:2011-06-15
Silver Spring, MD
reply to djlar
said by djlar:

I'll say they should make most of the gear unique when possible, so if you have it equipped or in bags you can't loot it..

All except dual wieldable weapons, that's it...

Yeah tier tokens would be up for grabs anyway..

All gear Unique, Weapons limited to 2 per character (so DKs/warriors can still get 2), tier pieces are still up for grabs.

Also when they add that stupid dagger to the loot list?
Damn thing dropped off EVERY SINGLE BOSS last night.
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djlar

join:2009-04-23
799228
Daggers are for the lazy/poor rogues (probably poor because being lazy) that would need them..


stvnbrs
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reply to The0_o
said by The0_o:

said by djlar:

I'll say they should make most of the gear unique when possible, so if you have it equipped or in bags you can't loot it..

All except dual wieldable weapons, that's it...

Yeah tier tokens would be up for grabs anyway..

All gear Unique, Weapons limited to 2 per character (so DKs/warriors can still get 2), tier pieces are still up for grabs.

Also when they add that stupid dagger to the loot list?
Damn thing dropped off EVERY SINGLE BOSS last night.

The glaring problem with this are classes that use the same gear between different specs. My kitty and bear share the same loot table, but due to gemming and reforging I must have 2 of each piece. Boomkins / Trees and shamans come to mind as well.

I agree that there is a problem, and I do not know how Blizzard could fix it, except to cut any role bonus in half if you arleady own one of the pieces. (Not equipped as it is too easy for players to have a "crap set" that would allow them to role higher).
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Immer
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the more I think about this... the less I'm inclined to believe there is any problem. LFR is 500 VP a week... with an RNG shot at great gear. with the class restrictions its even better... because your RNG isn't pitting you against 25 people... it's pitting you against maybe 10 others?

You don't have to deal with recruiting PUGS, you don't have to worry about loot council, getting banned from ever doing the run again, spending your DKP wisely... you just roll the dice and hope you don't "crap out". meanwhile, you get your VP. you can also work on alternative gearing/spec strategies... rotations... a completely free test-bed for whatever you like... and as long as you out heal tanks, out dps healers, and hold threat without dying to stupid mechanics... you're good.

Last night, I lost a healing trinket to a resto shaman who was out healed by the dk tank. I only need 1 ring and 1 trinket for my healing set in LFR. But I'll always need VP... so I'll keep running.
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McBrain
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join:2010-05-06
Kalimdor
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reply to djlar
said by djlar:

Daggers are for the lazy/poor rogues (probably poor because being lazy) that would need them..

Tell the Rogues that I'm sure will roll on No'Kaled when it drops for my shaman.

On topic, I got kicked from LFR for the first time in my life last night. Here's the back story. On my Priest, I'm 50 VPs short of my 397 bracers for the shaman, so I queue for Fall of DW and get an instant pop. Awesome, I think... I get in and the first thing I see is, "ok we've wiped twice, let's kill it this time.". Oh boy. I respond with, "don't worry. I'm good for at least 70k.". We start the event, wipe on the third platform, I'm sitting at almost 73k...the next guy is just over 50k. I did 12% of overall damage for the attempt. I zone in after the graveyard and some Warrior that did like 30k says, "kick Mcbrain. He isn't even a healer.". I could only say lol, I was head and shoulders better than any other dps in the group. Like it wasn't even close, I did more dps than a majority of the group even if you combined two together. I assumed someone else would speak in my defense since I already stated what I would contribute, and actually followed through with it. No one said shit, and I found myself being porter to Org shortly after.

What a bunch of asshats.
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cymraeg
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there isnt anything you can do for dumbasses that dont know any better, you will probably get a better group next time.
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Arthritis

join:2011-10-20
Canada
reply to McBrain
said by McBrain:

said by djlar:

Daggers are for the lazy/poor rogues (probably poor because being lazy) that would need them..

On my Priest, I'm 50 VPs short of my 397 bracers for the shaman, so I queue for Fall of DW and get an instant pop.

Not to be an ass myself, but what did you que for?

I only get insta pops on my Holy Pally, everything else is a 16-20 minute wait. So I'm guessing heals. Your dps was insanely good, yes, but if so the healers were down 1 body.


McBrain
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Kalimdor
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reply to cymraeg
Oh I did. Requeued, got another instant pop, this time for Seige. The group had two Locks and two Rogues doing over 35k on bosses, and myself and an Enh Shaman over 30k on them. That run went off without a hitch, and I got my Shaman some bracers and all was good.

It just baffled me that a vtk passed on clearly the best player in the raid. Not that I'm a god or anything. But if I'm doing 150% the dps of the second guy, chances are that I'm better than everyone else there.
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djlar

join:2009-04-23
799228
Are you admitting twice that you queue as a healer and go DPS? what the hell is that dude?

Even if you do 40K DPS you should flipping heal ... that's what you queued for.. how do you know the other healers are making it without you?

If I see a healer or tank dps instead mininum I let the raid know to kick them out, unless tank goes DPS on Zon'ozz or Hagara. (those 2 don't need 2 tanks at all).


stvnbrs
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Cary, NC
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reply to McBrain
I feel that anyone (no matter how exemplary their performance) that queues outside the role they plan to play in order to bypass waiting should be kicked.

edit: he queued as dps

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McBrain
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join:2010-05-06
Kalimdor
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reply to djlar
I never queue as heals. Ever. I queued as dps. That's why I thought sarcastically that it was awesome that I got an instant queue both times.

I apologize for my tardy replies. I'm at the dentist's office posting from my phone with poor signal.
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navymaverick

join:2011-07-21
Papillion, NE
kudos:3
reply to The0_o
I concur

djlar

join:2009-04-23
799228
reply to McBrain
12 Weeks doing LFR on several toons I've never gotten an instant queue as a DPS.. heck I never gotten and insta Q as a tank (i've been getting 25mins as a tank lately).

As healer I often get insta queues but to in-progress LFRs..

Takes several tries to get a fresh one..


McBrain
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Kalimdor
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Both were in progress. First one was on their third attempt at Madness, second one was on last trash pack before first boss. I'll be honest that I didn't elect DPS as my role, only because it is automatically populated, I was in my Shadow spec, and HAVE NEVER queued as heals before. I guess there is a slight possibility that somehow I was queued as heals, but I was completely and honestly oblivious to the fact if that was the case. If by some strange occurrence this is what happened, then yes, in fact, it is I who was the asshat.

I think that scenario is highly unlikely, but stranger things have happened. It's weird that I didn't hear any complaints and there were no issues in the second run, where I did nothing different in the queueing process. So I would assume that I was queued as the same role in both, be it DPS or heals.
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JB
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Arsinic

join:2011-02-17
Ruffs Dale, PA
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reply to The0_o
Who cares.. LFR is easily solo tankable and 2-3 healable.. Occasionally someone in my guild will want to stack a token for their alt, so usually 6-10 of us will tag along all on that token. We usually take the tank and healing spots if possible.

our second tank always jsut goes dps and as long as 2 of our group are healing well have 1-3 of our healers go dps, we never wipe doing this in LFR, but some people will RAGE...

I really don't understand people, regardless of their role they are doing they que'ed as X, they arent rolling on anything other than tokens anyway. So yes the rager may get douched out of a token, but thats it. If its a trinket, we take all of the healing/ dps spots so how are people queed as dps that are dpsing whining that they lose a healing trinket to someone queued as a healer that is dpsing and cant win dps loot???

TL:DR My guild occasionally stacks groups, makes the runs go really fast and don't roll on gear and people still cry...


navymaverick

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Papillion, NE
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said by Arsinic:

Who cares.. LFR is easily solo tankable and 2-3 healable..

It matters if you have already wiped 2 or 3 times. Obviously that specific make up and skill pool has to heal/tank/DPS according to assigned rolls. If you are overgeared and can do it with your eyes closed it does not matter. McBrain's group was already having difficulty so yes, they needed full heals and tanks doing what they qued to do.


Arthritis

join:2011-10-20
Canada
reply to McBrain
said by McBrain:

I never queue as heals. Ever. I queued as dps. That's why I thought sarcastically that it was awesome that I got an instant queue both times.

I apologize for my tardy replies. I'm at the dentist's office posting from my phone with poor signal.

I gothcha, again wasnt trying to be an ass or start a shitstorm but was just curious.

Those guys were definitely retards in your situation, and I honestly think people just press the yes button on vote kicks with blank expressions and drool running


Immer
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reply to McBrain
said by McBrain:

said by djlar:

Daggers are for the lazy/poor rogues (probably poor because being lazy) that would need them..

I assumed someone else would speak in my defense since I already stated what I would contribute, and actually followed through with it. No one said shit, and I found myself being porter to Org shortly after.

and this is why I always "speak up" in /rsay... in LFR. My guildies always make fun of me in vent... "dang immer... you just can't resist speaking up, can you?".... it's a curse.
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The0_o

join:2011-06-15
Silver Spring, MD
reply to The0_o
I had a few Instant - less than a minute Queues, But has alwasy been a run inprogess and always for a Madness run that has wiped a few times.

I q'ed for Siege and right in before the pull (Warlord) my 1 year daughter who was messing with the Xbox, got into my movies and hit play on "IT" (demon clown movie from the mid 80s), and she shit herself.

So i go into daddy mode and calm her down and clean her up. by the time i get back to the fight. warlord was at 2%. so i post
" Sorry guys am back, my kid just scared the shit out of herself and had to clean her up".

This DK then starts raging on how i need to do more DPS than the tank , I should be kicked , Scrub , Noob, blah blah blah. (note: I was 4th on DPS on the first boss).

So i do what all the lazy ass slackers do to skate. I didnt roll on any loot i dont need and start chain pulling adds.

I May have been an asshat, but its a game. My kid comes first
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