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Re: Game Dev Pulls out of E3 over SOPA the leap from fan art to copyright infringement is huge. Also, the remedy has already existed in artistic circles for ages. The possibility of sopa (or similar bad legislation) is irrelevant in this case, because stolen art is bad form. Passing off someone else's creative work as your own is pathetic. But the artistic community, for the most part, polices itself. Now, if the DeviantArt community doesn't police itself now, then yes, they'd be screwed by anyone taking a closer look at plagiarism/copyright infringement/etc. DeviantArt would still exist, and they would probably protect themselves by adding in a webcrawler that checked an uploaded image for other appearances on the web. this would delay submissions, but it would be no different than the plagiarism checkers used by online colleges. You'd still get to share original art on DeviantArt, there just might be a delay in getting the post approved for release. Or, they (as an organization of artists) could protest (piss and moan) and shut down their server hoping that vagrants would "occupy" something while criminals like Anonymous go play robin hood by destroying some other people's work.
If a country road had a posted speed limit of 65 that was never enforced... most people (young men primarily) would fly at 95+ if they felt the road was clear. If suddenly the local sheriff started cracking down on speeding along that country road, some would opt not to drive that road... but to imply that everyone would stop driving is hyperbole. In this analogy, SOPA would include a measure that revoked someone's license if they were simply accused of having sped along that road while the local police department investigated the allegations against the driver. (again, sopa = bad). Still, this wouldn't shut down all travel on this road, but it would remove what was once considered a "privilege" or even a "right" to speed down this road. People would even invent the injustice of no longer having a road to test their vehicles on... or blame the county for not providing a highway with speed limits of 95+. But the sheriff doesn't create the problem in this scenario. The community ignoring the law does.
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| Just like stuff on YouTube is supposed to be protected under Fair Use or parody? Doesn't work like that.
Guy does fan art based on Lion King. Despite the fact that the work is original, in that he created it, it is still using copyright based subject matter and legislation such as SOPA and PIPA would allow Disney to simply nod their head and it'd be taken down.
Doesn't matter if the work is original, it is still using copyright material, fan art is free advertisement 90% of the time but it is still copyright material and legislation like that would allow the holders to take shit down at the blink of an eye.
As to YouTube, for example, they do have filters but it is still very easy to slip shit by it. When Google says "Hey, if this goes through we'd probably have to shut down YouTube because the amount of liability is too high," who are you going to believe? Google polices the fuck out of YouTube, proactively and retroactively but even so there is such a massive user base, so many uploads all the bloody time that it is borderline impossible and at the very lease VERY unrealistic to expect them to be able to keep it at an unrealistic standard these bills would allow copyright holders to hold them to.
And mind you in many cases the artists don't give a shit, the record companies, the film companies, and so on, those out for a bottom line and nothing more do.
Which is why I hope, that despite the fact this legislation was defeated more will come (ACTA for example, someone needs to tap Smith in the back of the head with a bat), more artists and creative people elect to go the self published and distribution route. Radiohead has been a pioneer in this respect and more musical artists are following suite. Hopefully it picks up steam.
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said by Immer:Fan art would be safe, the artists would just have to give credit for who owns the copyright on the subject matter. The painting of a tauren getting raped by a night-elf mount is the artist's creative work... while the concept of the tauren and the night-elf mount belong to Blizzard.
That is not 100% correct. It gets a little more complicated. If the fan art promotes or causes to make money then additional protections come into play (in the US).
There are also trademark laws to consider. For example Bugs Bunny is copyrighted and trademarked. If you used Bugs in some porno fan art you could be held liable.
As a current and recent example Newt was using the song Eye of the Tiger as an intro. he is being sued by the artist as the artist doesn't feel it a good representation of his work.
SOPA does equal bad and one reason it was so bad was because the lobyists for the MPAA and record companies wrote the bill.
BTW - President Obama says that he is going to agree to the European version (just as bad as SOPA) and that it doesn't need senate approval as he claims its not a treaty. Probably doing it as payoff to his Hollywood buddies. |
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you know what? you're right. the sky is falling, and we are all going to die. Artists across this nation will commit Seppuku.
spill your guts to kill sopa, and the next bill will pass without anyone taking notice. I'm out.
edit: and this isn't really pointed at Ada... it's directed at everyone hiding in bunkers hoping Anonymous will make the world better... for them. |
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| SOPA and PIPA were defeated.
ACTA is the new abortion piece of legislation and I think what the former two did is make people actually pay attention to this kind of shit.
Hopefully that piece of shit won't pass either, I don't like the idea of my ISP keeping every bit of information of what I do on the internet for two years. Nope-nope-nope.
The sky isn't falling, we aren't all going to die, but there is a battle against the freedom of speech, the freedom of artistic interpretation, and if the internet will remain free all together.
No one expects Anonymous to make it better. Christ, if anyone knows anything about Anonymous they know what 4chan is, where these "hacktivists" come from, and what as a whole the collective group of script kiddies are capable of doing. Are there people under the Anon moniker that should be worried about? Oh yes, there are, but Anon as a whole is a bunch of herp-derp fucktards that would rather go after someone for animal abuse (Operation Dusty Trail anyone?) than try to take on the government or RIAA.
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| said by Adalicia:ACTA is the new abortion piece of legislation and I think what the former two did is make people actually pay attention to this kind of shit.
I hope you are right, but I doubt it. Americans are "flash-in-the-pan" activists. As long as there is a huge "movement" they will commit their souls to fighting injustice... blah, blah, blah. But they lack longevity. (I'm using "they" because I'm not an activist... I'm not disowning my status as American =D )
The only "movements" that stick are those that come with handouts of one kind or another.
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said by Adalicia:SOPA and PIPA were defeated.
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said by Adalicia:SOPA and PIPA were defeated.
While true our curreent president then went the worst possible route and signed an agreement with Europe that in effect does exactly the same thing as SOPA.
Now that same "hope and change" guy is trying to argue that its an executive decision and not a treaty because he knows that the senate would not support it.
So while SOPA was defeated our current president got around it and enacted an agreemnet that is just as bad. I wonder why the net isn't all up in arms about this? Maybe Immergruen is right and the activists are flash in the pan types. |
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| The largest group of vocal activists against SOPA / PIPA was Reddit. They're a bunch of ass clowns most of the time but when they get a hair up their ass they get a lot of shit done because unlike my beloved 4chan, the vast majority of the user base isn't 14 and there initially to simply fap to some bad porn.
I did not hear about this agreement but I do plan to look into it shorty.
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