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tshirt
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Re: WTF Is Kansas City's Problem

So who do you believe should pay the cost of improvements to the electrical plant/poles so that google can hang fiber in a safe and legal manner?
residents of KC have paid for poles adequate for power and to carry telephone and cable lines. In return the telco and cableco pay a per pole attachment fee to payback the extra cost of the larger poles required to hold the weight/stresses of the extra layers of wiring. The Idea being that the electrical customers will never pay more then the cost of poles if the carried ONLY the electrical lines.
If one of the users causes the poles to be changed/upgraded to a bigger size than they should pay the additional cost plus the remainder of the unamortized life (about 40 years total) of the existing poles either directly or through a higher per pole annual fee.
typical wooden poles cost between $3,000 and $13000 a piece installed (3 phase power plus a telco and cable layer would require a 36-44 foot pole-- in the $11k range PER POLE plus regular maintaince, insurance (drunks/storms/ other acts of god) add 2 feet for a new layer of fiber/cable/copper/any new overbuilder must pay that cost.
Google doesn't get a free ride.



ArrayList
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said by tshirt:

So who do you believe should pay the cost of improvements to the electrical plant/poles so that google can hang fiber in a safe and legal manner?

the residents of KC should. after all, they wanted Google to come in the first place.

if not, then Google should scrub the whole thing and make sure the world knows why they did it.


tshirt
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All the residents?
even those that don't want/can't afford more service than they already have?
So you're are saying any large corporation can come to YOUR town, hype something THEY(and some residents) think is important (even though Google says this is just an experiment) and then force the costs onto the city/taxpayers/residents?
Is that really what you want?
Just because you like the idea of FTTH, do you really want it(or anything else) in the way that implies?



insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
reply to tshirt

said by tshirt:

So who do you believe should pay the cost of improvements to the electrical plant/poles so that google can hang fiber in a safe and legal manner?

Google pays for all installation costs. It appears attachment fees are some kind of one time fee the owner of the pole(electric company) charges separate from the cost of installing the cable.


dvd536
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said by insomniac84:

said by tshirt:

So who do you believe should pay the cost of improvements to the electrical plant/poles so that google can hang fiber in a safe and legal manner?

Google pays for all installation costs. It appears attachment fees are some kind of one time fee the owner of the pole(electric company) charges separate from the cost of installing the cable.

I'm pretty sure RoW pole fees are monthly.
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Oh YES! let me drop everything i'm doing regardless of who it affects to deal with your petty little problem!


LazMan
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said by dvd536:

said by insomniac84:

said by tshirt:

So who do you believe should pay the cost of improvements to the electrical plant/poles so that google can hang fiber in a safe and legal manner?

Google pays for all installation costs. It appears attachment fees are some kind of one time fee the owner of the pole(electric company) charges separate from the cost of installing the cable.

I'm pretty sure RoW pole fees are monthly.

Typically, there are two fees - the "Make-ready" or installation/attachement fees; which is a one-time charge at installation, and covers attaching to the pole, and any other charges required (adding guys, re-arrangments, etc).

There are also RoW or SSA (shared-service agreement) fees, which are a fixed monthly, recurring fee.

ALSO, it's pretty common for every "tennant" on the pole to pay a percentage of repairs/relocations, should a pole be damaged, or need to be relocated for roadwork, etc.

To me, it sounds like Google didn't understand the business they were getting into... Make-ready charges are common, and just part of doing utility construction on a shared structure.

This is all seperate from the actual construction charges, that the contractor charges for supplying and placing the cable, strand, lashing, etc...


tshirt
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They may pay monthly but most places they are calculated on an annual basis. (remember this is a long term agreement) and some pole owners are considering/have added a sustantial deposit/bonding fee, after they saw the costs of removing abandoned pole mounted equipment (some failed muni and other mesh wifi left rate payers with big bills in assorted cities)


jophan
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reply to dvd536

Monthly attachment fees pay for the pole itself: depreciation, property taxes, maintenance (like tree trimming, safety inspections), a return on investment to the shareholders and the taxes on that return. If the power company owns the pole, the telephone and cable companies pay the same attachment fee, and vice versa.

I worked in telephone engineering when cable came into our area. Every pole had to be manually inspected and hundreds of them were replaced with taller ones to provide extra attachment spaces at the cable companies' expense. You can't compromise the clearances, from the lowest cable to the ground and from the highest to the lowest electric attachment.

One option is to "wrap" the pole, putting attachments on both the road and field sides, but electric doesn't like that because it makes it hard for technicians to climb above them.


Austinloop

join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX
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When I was in telco engineering, wrapping the pole was an excellent way to get a visit in your office by the splicing and placing foreman questioning your engineer performance in language not suitable for mixed company.


moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
reply to ArrayList

said by ArrayList:

the residents of KC should. after all, they wanted Google to come in the first place.

if not, then Google should scrub the whole thing and make sure the world knows why they did it.

Exactly. They want Google to pay for it all? Then Google can go find another place more accommodating and leave KC to cry over it.