 grayem join:2000-09-22 Saint Louis, MO Reviews:
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3 edits | [HSI] Hey Charter, TIME FOR HIGHER CAPS!! Listen Charter, Give us more bandwidth. You keep raising prices and raising speeds. I want neither! I want more bandwidth! Right now I can use my internet 40 hours a month at full speed, then I have to hang up the modem. That's just goofy, we never have slowdowns here and shouldnt have to worry about watching a streaming program when its not hurting anyone. We have no way of knowing if we can use our internet or not because we have no way to know how much bandwidth we've used. The service works fine, but $50 a month for your express is too high.
Does no one else agree with this? I know some of you want 1TB download speed, or whatever, but 5MB was just fine. Your 3MB Lite service gets the same amount of bandwidth as we do. What gives?
Express should be 300 GB PLus should be 500 Ultra should be a 1TB
We cant even back up a reasonable computer using your backup service with the limitations you have now. How many people here have a 500GB drive full of photos, music and videos. None of use can use any backup service online without getting a 6 month boot warning.
Raise the caps and I will shut up. |
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 Phatty join:2000-05-10 Valley Park, MO | Re: [HSI] Hey Charter, HOW ABOUT MORE BANDWIDTH? I agree caps suck, and the worst part about it is that the majority of ISPs have them these days. I have switched Cloud backup services 3 times over the years and never thought about the fact that had I attempted that while on a residential account I would have ended up with a warning letter for using a legitimate service. |
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 DoggPremium join:2003-06-11 Belleville, IL | reply to grayem I agree...but not with your example. I can only imagine how long it would take to even upload 500GB. Even downloading that image again for restoral would take days. -- Google is your Friend |
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 DrDrew join:2009-01-28 Apple Valley, CA kudos:6 | reply to grayem So how much bandwidth do you actually use per month? |
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 grayem join:2000-09-22 Saint Louis, MO Reviews:
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| said by DrDrew:So how much bandwidth do you actually use per month? How the hell should I know? Charter does not provide anyway of knowing.
I watch a lot of TV series on netflix, but I have Netflix turned down to the lowest setting. I dont download music, or run any kind of file sharing. My computers update themselves of course. I manage a couple of websites and email my family a lot. We dont have 4 children trying to watch youtube all day or anything like that.
This is basic internet, nothing crazy, but it drives me nuts that charter keeps rising speeds and prices, while giving us arbitrary caps that threaten to cut us off for 6 months. |
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 DrDrew join:2009-01-28 Apple Valley, CA kudos:6 | said by grayem:said by DrDrew:So how much bandwidth do you actually use per month? How the hell should I know? Charter does not provide anyway of knowing. Many routers can track bandwidth, you don't have to depend on Charter for that data.
You'll probably find your usage isn't nearly as high as you think and you're well below the cap. -- If it's important, back it up... twice. Even 99.999% availability isn't enough sometimes. |
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 grayem join:2000-09-22 Saint Louis, MO Reviews:
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| So your suggesting I buy a new router? B.S! I know I could shell out more dough for that, but I have already had to buy a new modem because charter raised the speeds too high for my old functioning one. Later, after buying a router, Charter added a cap and even more speed upgrades I didn't care about. (as well as a price hike)
I say BS to having to buy more hardware. Charter needs to use some of the money they keep spending on speed and use it to widen the pipes. I could go asking everyone here, why they "need" 60Mbps download (or whatever), but instead, I am asking Charter to change how they treat us, not how their customers use the internet!
I would also accept Charter Lite at 5Mbps for $25 a month. Its time for Charter to stop gouging us and holding us to random restrictions that we can't track. |
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 DrDrew join:2009-01-28 Apple Valley, CA kudos:6 | said by grayem:So your suggesting I buy a new router? No, what make/model router do you have? |
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 | reply to grayem why dont you do something about it?
-you can get lower price for your bandwith, but no one is going to do it for you.
-you can monitor your usage, but no one is going to do it for you
-you lack any effort on your part.
-if you do nothing, you get nothing |
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 BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | reply to grayem said by grayem:said by DrDrew:So how much bandwidth do you actually use per month? How the hell should I know? Charter does not provide anyway of knowing. While they should provide a bandwidth meter it's useless you complaining about a cap when you aren't sure about your own useage.
I watch a lot of TV series on netflix, but I have Netflix turned down to the lowest setting. I dont download music, or run any kind of file sharing. My computers update themselves of course. I manage a couple of websites and email my family a lot. We dont have 4 children trying to watch youtube all day or anything like that. Then you don't need to worry about having your Netflix at a shitty bitrate. At most Netflix uses up to 2 GB an hour. E-mail uses next to nothing.
Right now I can use my internet 40 hours a month at full speed, then I have to hang up the modem Really how often are you running your connection full speed? Anyways what tier are you on?
3 Mbps = 76 hours full speed 15 Mbps = 15 hours full speed 30 Mbps = 7.5 hours full speed 100 Mbps 2.25 hours full speed.
So where do you get 40 hours?
This is basic internet, nothing crazy, but it drives me nuts that charter keeps rising speeds and prices, while giving us arbitrary caps that threaten to cut us off for 6 months. You don't get cut off after the first time you go over. It takes 3 consecutives times. If you are using more than your cap allows you'll know WELL ahead before gettign cut off. |
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 | reply to grayem Most likely they won't even bother you if you go over the cap. I've been over every month since they had a "cap" and nothing every comes from it. |
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 1 edit | reply to BF69 Why is it useless to complain about caps just because OP doesn't know how much they're using? If you remember correctly, EVERYONE was complaining about caps BEFORE Charter even started implementing them a few years ago. So what's the difference?
Who gives a rats rip if OP doesn't know how much time it calculates out to being before the cap is reached? You must have that one copy & pasted in some where on your computer, as often as you're quoting it.
I'm with OP all the way on this one, whether it does me any good or not, it feels good to get it off your chest, at least. Title should've said something more related to caps then just bandwidth though. -- The Firefox alternative. »www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/ |
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 BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | said by cork1958:Why is it useless to complain about caps just because OP doesn't know how much they're using? If you remember correctly, EVERYONE was complaining about caps BEFORE Charter even started implementing them a few years ago. So what's the difference? What I'm saying he is getting upset AS IF he's going over the cap then he admits he doesn't even know how much he is using. Also it take 3 consecutive times going over before you even get a ban.
Who gives a rats rip if OP doesn't know how much time it calculates out to being before the cap is reached? You must have that one copy & pasted in some where on your computer, as often as you're quoting it. Nope. No copy and paste just using my brain. I'm asking because I don't know what tier he has. Since different tiers have different caps this would help in finding out how much bandwidth he actually has. I don't about you but there is a huge difference between a 100 GB cap and 250 GB or 500 GB. Not sure why you would get upset at me asking which tier he has.
I'm with OP all the way on this one, whether it does me any good or not, it feels good to get it off your chest, at least. Title should've said something more related to caps then just bandwidth though. I'm not sure why you always get angry at what I post. You have an agenda against me. Even when my posts are in no way controversial. You make them that way for ZERO reason. |
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 Bengie25 join:2010-04-22 Wisconsin Rapids, WI 1 edit | reply to Dogg 500GB at 30Mb/s would take ~1.58 days |
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 grayem join:2000-09-22 Saint Louis, MO Reviews:
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| reply to BF69 I have the express tier.
I got 40 hours from some calculator on the web somewhere. 15 just makes it worse. If what you are saying is right, that would mean that if I was watching Netflix in HD, more than 15 hours per month: Poof, there goes $47, once, twice, three months later, no internet.
I have a router that does not log data throughput. I have no interest in writing over the firmware to do that.
I am capable of the firmware hack, but I dont want to spend my time fooling with this. Its Charter's guidelines, they should come up with a tool.
Your point about not using full throttle is perfect. I never see data throughput at full speed (when downloading a file through firefox; no idea on the Wii.) No server I ever connect to sends data at 15 Mbps. So why in the hell do they keep raising the speed?
Low caps and high speeds are stupid! They are just encouraging users to go over the cap FASTER. |
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 Bengie25 join:2010-04-22 Wisconsin Rapids, WI | reply to grayem I agree with your summary, but I'm not sure I understand why you start off "complaining" about speed increases. |
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| reply to grayem "Low caps and high speeds are stupid! They are just encouraging users to go over the cap FASTER."
^ This
"No server I ever connect to sends data at 15 Mbps. So why in the hell do they keep raising the speed?"
Anecdotes don't reflect the average. Watch.
Not only do I get my 30Mb/s from most servers, I also get the 100Mb/s burst. Downloading games from Steam, 100mb burst for about 5-10 seconds, then holds stead at 30mb, same for Blizzard patches/download. Download a Linux/BSD ISO from torrent, I get closer to 40Mb/sec, because powerboost is based on the beginning of *each* connection. Since there are many connections in P2P, I typically sustain above average.
Or when I download high res raw images from my cousin who has a 30Gb internet connection at work. I can sustain 30Mb from him easily.(He's a server admin at his datacenter)
Personally, I plan on getting a 30Mb business connection from Charter instead of the 100Mb connection. They're about the same price. No caps and better service. |
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 grayem join:2000-09-22 Saint Louis, MO Reviews:
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| reply to BoMarty said by BoMarty:why dont you do something about it?
-you can get lower price for your bandwith, but no one is going to do it for you.
What does that mean? Call charter and ask for a lower price?
-you can monitor your usage, but no one is going to do it for you
What is this? You are also suggesting that I go buy some hardware that tells me what I am using? Would you let your gas or electric company cut off your utilities for "overuse" if they didn't provide some way of measuring usage? Would you expect them to tell you its your responsibility to install a gas meter, or electric meter and hope that you knew how to use it? (I am not talking about the safety issues here.) A high majority of internet users have NO CLUE about data nomenclature.
Here's a half-assed analogy: Do you know the water column pressure of your gas line? Do you know what size orifice each of your gas burners is in your house and how many BTU's worth of fuel you are using at each setting on your stove? You can spend your time looking that crap up but you know damn well you wouldn't put up with if your gas company required it. Yes, they charge by the BTU, and I think that would be horrible for any data supplier to do that, but telling us that we will get cut off with no way of charting use is BULL FARTS.
-you lack any effort on your part.
-if you do nothing, you get nothing This is a load of poo! You are suggesting that Joe Blow that is still paying AOL for an email address would know how to do this. They dont, why should any of is have to put up with this? The only reason any of you think this is OK, is because of who we are here....dslreports forum users are computer geeks. My wife, mom, dad, brother, friends, colleagues, co-workers, would NEVER visit this site to comment on a forum about bandwith, because they...do...not...CARE!
Why should anyone have to and why do any of us let Charter get away with this crap? |
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 | I don't think anyone is arguing with your point about Charter needing to provide users a good bandwidth usage meter, but either they will or they won't. And if they won't, you can either make an effort to keep your usage within the cap, or you can choose to not worry about it.
If you don't worry about it, you either will or won't exceed the cap. If you do so and Charter chooses to terminate service after so many times, you can either fight them (perhaps rightly) on their lack of a bandwidth usage tool or take your business elsewhere. If you go with another ISP, you'll have probably lower speeds and no better (at times worse) caps, or go without Internet completely. These differences may not be an issue to you, but they are differences important to some people.
I think it's good to call Charter on this missing tool, but I don't see the point of fighting amongst ourselves about it. *We* can't fix it. We can keep pointing it out, but the venom needs to be directed to the right folks. And we aren't "going along" with it just because we aren't screaming at the tops of our voices; in my case, I think it stinks but I see the alternative choices and choose to stay where I am for the time being. I'm not under contract, so I can bail whenever I take the notion. |
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 grayem join:2000-09-22 Saint Louis, MO Reviews:
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1 edit | I think it's good to call Charter on this missing tool, but I don't see the point of fighting amongst ourselves about it. *We* can't fix This is exactly what I want, Nerdy DSLreports users should make a stink about this. Its pretty often that I see users here insulting people for complaining about Chater's goofy policies. I don't get it and that's why I am trying to raise a little hell.
Be the squeeky wheel instead of defending charter! If we don't demand better service,we arent going to get it. Quit suggesting that users need to pay more or get more equipment, or "learn to count bits" |
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