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I upgraded from Kubuntu 9.04 to 11.10
Pfffffft!
Now how the hell do you adjust the font size in GRUB so I can read it when booting?
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/etc/default/grub
make sure you uncomment it and run update-grub before rebooting to see results
# The resolution used on graphical terminal
# note that you can use only modes which your graphic card supports via VBE
# you can see them in real GRUB with the command `vbeinfo'
#GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480
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Doesn't Kubuntu have grub2 kcm? It would be in the system settings, no idea what they call it, grub something would be nice but boot blah blah would be more buntu like. 
No idea if it can control the font size but the screen shots I see let you change the resolution.
»kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=139643
That's the page for it but I'm sure kubuntu has that installed by default now.
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| Kubuntu 11.10 is pretty decent for those who like KDE. I used it until Mint 12 came out.
On a side-note, I then installed XFCE on Mint 12 and that's what I've been using. Tried Xubuntu but I had a whole bunch of issues with it and GTK themes. Ended up reinstalling Mint+XFCE
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I poked around the repositories and found kcm-grub2 which added a section to the Start Up and Shutdown section. It let me change the screen resolution. So I used the custom mode and set it at 800x600. Now it looks like it did back in 9.04.
Kubuntu seems to be getting a little bloated with all this damn eye candy which I could do without.
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kudos:1 | said by FastEddie:Kubuntu seems to be getting a little bloated with all this damn eye candy which I could do without. Maybe the "kubuntu-low-fat-settings" package would interest you.
said by Kubuntu Release Notes :
Low-Fat Settings
Kubuntu introduces Kubuntu-Low-Fat-Settings: a collection of configuration options that reduce memory usage and even speed up KDE's loading time. This will help Kubuntu run better on older, lower-end systems.
Some of the many tweaks include:
Turning off compositing by default.
Disabling the automatic loading of various modules, such as bluedevil, the free space notifier, some Nepomuk services, and a other components.
Reducing the number of default Krunner plugins that are loaded automatically.
Reducing the amount of graphical effects used in the window decoration.
Significant reductions in memory usage (up to 32%) and the subsequent savings in KDE's loading time (up to 33%) can be had simply by installing the package kubuntu-low-fat-settings!
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Yeah it defiantly needs a Low-Fat diet.
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| There is a trend to develop "cool thing" and parallel trend to accept work based on keeping developers happy and casual friendships intact rather than on any actual needs. Sort of a reward for any kind of work rather than useful work too much of the time.
This really isn't an issue when when it applies to bigger pieces of software because they usually are in it for the long haul, but then you have all the gimmicky things that come and go or that can easily be removed that have the bar set low for acceptance. Obviously there are exceptions where distros or desktops choose to change the core apps randomly at whim or even create new ones and sometimes even go back and forth between various things like file managers, music players, video players, browsers.(mono was cool before it wasnt't)
Oh and this will probably get worse since ubuntu finally not sticking with the 700M iso size is for the purpose of going bigger by default instead of actually providing what is needed and not feeling obliged to fill up a CD. Really just dumb too. You (the world) literally have to download the install medium that gives you your bootable desktop that you keep but it's deemed wrong if you have to wait a bit to download office presentation app before you can use it. Give the full desktop, the web browser, the system tools and leave the rest to menu entries that prompt for the install of a "default recommended full experience"... sadly it will never happen because I think there is a sense of entitlement from being "installed by default".
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Evanston, IL | Well Ubuntu and many other livecds have always wanted to provide a complete out of the box experience. You can say that software is too bloated or whatever, but trying to make the image fit on a CD led to some compromises. Also, I think Ubuntu hopes that they can make a distro that is useful in areas where internet connections are sparse or too expensive, where downloading software after the install is just not an option.
That said, KDE does need a low fat diet.
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| said by reub2000:That said, KDE does need a low fat diet.
You'd be better to say Kubuntu, or whatever distro you are using because KDE from git with default settings does not need any diet unless you intentionally eat too much of it which is why it's a distro issue most if not all of the time. and not in a shifting blame sort of way, the distro choose their settings and their default installed items.
And I say this from a fully functioning system running nepomuk and strigi and akonadi, and every other thing people bitch about if they tend to bitch about kde. Sometimes I think people expect their desktop to behave like a printed jpg image glued to their screen that is using zero power when they aren't touching the mouse or keyboard.
My kde with quite a few kde things in the startup when I login uses at most $10 worth of ram.
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said by firephoto:Oh and this will probably get worse since ubuntu finally not sticking with the 700M iso size is for the purpose of going bigger by default instead of actually providing what is needed and not feeling obliged to fill up a CD.
That's what struck me first. I had to look around to find a blank CD that Kubuntu iso would fit on. I have a stack of 600MB but was lucky to find I had one blank 700MB.
Kubuntu used to install in a little over 15 minutes when I first started using it. Now it was around 40 minutes. That's on a computer running a dual core .
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Tallahassee, FL | reply to firephoto
said by firephoto:Oh and this will probably get worse since ubuntu finally not sticking with the 700M iso size is for the purpose of going bigger by default instead of actually providing what is needed and not feeling obliged to fill up a CD. Really just dumb too. You (the world) literally have to download the install medium that gives you your bootable desktop that you keep but it's deemed wrong if you have to wait a bit to download office presentation app before you can use it. Give the full desktop, the web browser, the system tools and leave the rest to menu entries that prompt for the install of a "default recommended full experience"... sadly it will never happen because I think there is a sense of entitlement from being "installed by default".
It was only a matter of time. Back in the days of yore a modern OS would fit on 4M floppy diskette. As times moved on the only way to continue to innovate was to move beyond that.
An OS that fits on a 700M CD is not likely to contain the features and capabilities that people expect. It's not reasonable to expect Ubuntu to continue to innovate and at the same time continue to support aging hardware that wasn't built for the years 2012 and beyond.
At some point the 700M limit has to be breached. Some where talking about moving up to the DVD size but Mark wanted to only incrementally raise the size limit so that developers didn't get lazy and just throw the kitchen sink in just because there was room to fit it.
The who discussion can be seen at »www.youtube.com/user/ubuntudevel···zZqBpPnw I'm the guy with the black shirt and the pony tail sitting in front of the door.
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| This has zero to do with system performance. And strangely this new size limit thing is just a change not a removal since the new hard target is 750M so anything more is... dare I say... bloated?
And again, you and others just blindly ignore this new fangled thing called the internet where you download things. What I expect in full featuredness can be had in a matter of seconds or minutes with a dead simple download. This society where some simple patience expected at times is avoided because a small minority gets butt hurt and screams about having to wait for something is a spreading disease.
Make the system install with whatever sized medium is needed (not wanted), make the full feature extras a separate download that can easily be added to the install process, ie a file dropped onto the multi-session dvd, the flash drive, a second cdrom, whatever is needed to satisfy the offline people.
Internet browsing, Internet email, Internet chatting, Internet multimedia. That is what people do, not sit down from a long day of work and bust out the word processor so they can add some stories to the presentation about kittens that also contains some graphs and charts... I don't think ever someone is so rushed to get their office software mojo going that they can't wait maybe 10 minutes after installing their new shiny distro to let it download and install... and if they can't do that then this is where the "extras" come in during the install. Satisfying this mythical expected experience costs the install medium right around 15% of it's total space for the "office out of the box".
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Tallahassee, FL | said by firephoto:And again, you and others just blindly ignore this new fangled thing called the internet where you download things. What I expect in full featuredness can be had in a matter of seconds or minutes with a dead simple download. This society where some simple patience expected at times is avoided because a small minority gets butt hurt and screams about having to wait for something is a spreading disease. I'm not blindly ignoring anything. I completely understand that the features that sit outside what users expect of a fully featured desktop can easily be grabbed through Software Center and other resources.
Defining "fully featured desktop" is less of a science and more of an art. Of course not everybody is going to agree on everything, and the decisions made by Ubuntu have sometime seemed odd, such as the inclusion of video editing tools for example.
The argument aside about which features do and don't reasonably fit within that realm, what's not questionable is that as time progresses the size of software naturally increases as does its ability to meet users needs. As honest discussions about how to do that continue from release to release it is only inevitable that the 700M limit will have to be burst at some point. Perhaps April 2012 is not the right time, maybe it is. I'm not arguing that point. But there is nothing magical about the storage space of 700M.
I believe that limitation, as I stated in the video above, has been a good thing for Ubuntu, forcing the team to make tough choices, take creative actions, and perform needed work to stay within that limit. At some point though, instead of forcing creativity the limit will necessarily become a limitation of innovation, not a driving force for it. If the development team within Ubuntu feels that the point has been reached that it is now a liability, not an asset, then raising the limit a bit is a good thing. It could be seen as a sign of bloat, but it can also be the sign of progress.
Downloading a 750M iso, burning it to a CD, the 30 minute install and few gigs of hard drive space required to perform the initial install of the upcoming 12.04 release is not much to ask in today's computing world. It hardly represents bloat, and can easily be performed on hardware several years old with a relatively slow Internet connection.
In today's world the footprint of Ubuntu 11.10 is still quite small compared to other modern operating systems. I've got some older hardware running it and is able to handle things quite well, much better than it would Windows 7, or the latest release of OSX (if I could indeed install it.)
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