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n2jtx

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Glen Head, NY
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Supply and Demand

I hate to be a party pooper but I have a hard time figuring out why the entertainment industry has to change anything. Piracy is still against the law and they control the supply. Other than being good business practice to update with the times, why should they have to change if they do not want to? If they want to charge $20 for a DVD and $15 for CD, isn't that their right? If you do not like it, DO NOT BUY THE PRODUCT! If cable prices are too high, stop subscribing and find something else to do instead of watching Jersey Shore and anything else on cable.

Under the current laws, you have a right to food, water, electricity, heat and medical care. I do not see entertainment listed as something the government will subsidize if you are poor.
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desarollo

join:2011-10-01
Monroe, MI

They have to change because their customers are beginning to demand it. Contrary to what the entertainment companies believe, the customer is still in charge.

Let me start with the obvious; bi-annual rate increases for programming are making consumers question the value of television. Add in a complete flood of cheap programming content in reality shows, and the value:cost proposition becomes even more skewed. Throw in oppressive commercial loads and it gets worse. So, to answer your question in this light, they have to change because people are beginning to find other ways to view their content that isn't such a financial burden.

Yes, piracy and theft are illegal and any freshman level ethics student can never come up with a way to rationalize the theft. But that doesn't change the stark reality that people are and will continue to pirate the content. If it is too expensive, that's the fault of the entertainment industry. And don't forget, the broadcast networks like FOX throw this stuff into the air anyway. I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for them when people pass around a 1.5 gigabyte file of the Simpsons recorded from the local FOX affiliate.

Next, appointment TV is dead. Let me restate that; appointment TV is DEAD. With so many possible ways to view content, and so many competing forms of entertainment, it is completely unreasonable to expect people to show up and view your product at a set time. Theaters see it, broadcast TV sees it; technology, lifestyle and the DVR have made appointment TV a relic of the golden age of TV. To continue to insist that people show up at 8:00 p.m. to view your show borders on delusional.

So, faced with these harsh realities, why should they change? It is because the consumer demands a fairly priced good product that they can watch on their own terms. To ignore the consumer's wishes and continue insisting that the world bend to them will only result in their own declining profits.

That is why they need to change.



fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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But piracy shouldn't be regarded as competition for paid content.

That would like comparing working and robbing a bank as a means of earning a living.


kaila

join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL

reply to n2jtx
This is the digital age. I don't think anybody's asking for government subsidies or the 'right' for free entertainment, but likewise content owners can't and don't have the right to magically suspend the internet, in an infinitely copyable (non-scarce) & moving at the speed of light digital world.

My suggestion would be for content owners to consider the world they live in, and adjust. There are ways for them to embrace digital distribution and make a great living without playing whack-a-mole.

Attempting to artificially limit access promotes piracy, if content owners don't want to accept that, they really should be doing something else.
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desarollo

join:2011-10-01
Monroe, MI

reply to fifty nine
Piracy is a symptom, not the problem.

The entertainment industry ignores this fact at their own peril.


nutcr0cker

join:2003-04-02
Chandler, AZ
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reply to n2jtx
They can keep whatever business model they choose. Heck why stop at $20, charge $20 mn a DVD but then donot try to slam down SOPA/PIPA down my throat to protect your outdated business model buying thug politicians


kaila

join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL

reply to fifty nine
It is because scarcity doesn't exist in a digital world where everything is infinitely copyable. Decent content will be widely available no matter what. That's the reality.

What the paid/pirated ratio looks like is dependent upon what the content owners charge and how widely they make it available.
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mech1164
I'll Be Back

join:2001-11-19
Lodi, NJ
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reply to fifty nine

said by fifty nine:

But piracy shouldn't be regarded as competition for paid content.

That would like comparing working and robbing a bank as a means of earning a living.

Again all well and good. NOW REALITY: IT DOESN'T MATTER TO THE CONSUMER. Look at it this way. For centuries people have imbibed spirits and to great excess. Now when the Government tried to in the "For the betterment of the Country" use the Volstead Act to make prohibition the law of the land. Look how that worked out. Without a legal means to get their enjoyment. People went to great (and very illegal) means to satisfy them. It wasn't until years later when they realized what a mess they had made by doing this legislation did they repeal it. Same thing happening now. People will do whatever they have to if they want it bad enough. Legal be dammed.


whataname

@iauq.com

reply to n2jtx
Because regardless of the legality of something there are consequences. Look at Prohibition - just because you make something illegal, doesn't mean you stop it. Or in some cases even slow it down.

They can choose to face reality or they can choose not to. It is not a matter of morals, unless you really think you can re-educate the entire human race. It is a matter of choosing to limit the effects of piracy by having legitimate alternatives, as has started to happen in the music industry or to encourage piracy by poor policy decisions.

Anyone trying to input morality or legality into it isn't thinking in practical terms and that isn't good business sense.



swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia

reply to n2jtx

said by n2jtx:

I hate to be a party pooper but I have a hard time figuring out why the entertainment industry has to change anything. Piracy is still against the law ... why should they have to change ... ? If you do not like it, DO NOT BUY THE PRODUCT!



There are a few problems with your theory.

1. The assumption that whatever the law currently says is what everyone must be content with. In reality however, the law often gets out of step with justice. Sometimes it is perverted into a weapon for enriching special interests at the expense of the public. Then people are entitled to act according to what is right, regardless of the law. That is the only way reform can happen. (Voting, you say? HAHHAHAHAHAH voting is meaningless in a two-party system).

2. You're overlooking the harm to innocent parties. Suppose person A is not interested in Hollywood movies or other commercial entertainment, and has nothing to do with them - yet under SOPA, A could still have his website forced offline or his company bankrupted by a mere accusation from the copyright cartel.

The middle-man industry (which never creates anything, by the way) has always purchased laws to further its interests, but the more its business model fails the more extremist the laws it needs to keep exploiting the work of others. Now SOPA/PIPA was going to give that industry an arbitrary power to execute a commercial death sentence on any site of its choice, with no penalty for false accusations. It will be less painful for everyone if the business model changes to avoid the need for such damage to everyone else's freedom.


Romney2012
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USA
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said by swhx7:

said by n2jtx:

I hate to be a party pooper but I have a hard time figuring out why the entertainment industry has to change anything. Piracy is still against the law ... why should they have to change ... ? If you do not like it, DO NOT BUY THE PRODUCT!



There are a few problems with your theory.

1. The assumption that whatever the law currently says is what everyone must be content with. In reality however, the law often gets out of step with justice. Sometimes it is perverted into a weapon for enriching special interests at the expense of the public. Then people are entitled to act according to what is right, regardless of the law. That is the only way reform can happen. (Voting, you say? HAHHAHAHAHAH voting is meaningless in a two-party system).

Then change the law. The Volstead Act was repealed. And as for voting, then why are plenty of countries without a 2 party system(Canada, UK, France, etc) and who have parliamentary systems still supporting laws against piracy? Seems the voting populace in those countries don't buy into the piracy is good theory either.
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jtudor
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join:2002-12-07
Morganton, NC

said by Romney2012:

Then change the law. The Volstead Act was repealed.

The only problem with your statement is that if the public had not rebelled against prohibition in various ways, then the law would never have been changed would it? It is only because people found a way around the law that forced the government to reconsider the folly of their ways.
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firephoto
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Brewster, WA
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reply to mech1164
You guys are arguing about piracy in relation to mainstream television with commercials. This is the television that broadcasts a show during prime time once and might replay that same episode 2 maybe 3 times per year on that channel again but only after months gap after the first showing and never on a regular schedule in it's original order in it's entirety again. The first time these programs air EVERYTHING is paid for and profit is to be had, anything else is just double dipping and extra icing on the cake.

Quit propping up the piracy argument from both sides with a misguided understanding of what's going on. It makes you no better than this stupid article with someone pandering to a 80 year old dirtbag ceo hoping to sway him on matters of todays technology right after he shows his ignorance by bitching about the results on a search engine as if it wasn't suppose to show what is really existing on the internet.
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firephoto
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reply to kaila
The problem is that when content owners are talked about it refers to the ones at the very top 99% of the time so laws and actions are based on what they want pushing everyone else out of the market even if it's one where people just want to share their own created content.
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Romney2012
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join:2002-03-03
USA
kudos:4

reply to firephoto

said by firephoto:

The first time these programs air EVERYTHING is paid for and profit is to be had, anything else is just double dipping and extra icing on the cake.

Nonsense. Most prime time series never make a profit. Those that do make their profits if and when the series goes in to syndication, assuming they stick around long enough to be sold for reruns on all the cable channels.
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»www.politico.com/2012-election/



BF69
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

reply to n2jtx

said by n2jtx:

I hate to be a party pooper but I have a hard time figuring out why the entertainment industry has to change anything.

Because times change, technology changes. Blacksmiths had the same attitude 100 years ago. The smart ones started selling tires. The "why should I change" ones went out of business. Adapt or die.


elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
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HarperLand
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reply to firephoto
But piracy exists because content people want is not available where they live or how they want to view it.

Up here in Canada one of our cable companies teamed up with FX and created FX Canada.

What's on it? Older shows that FX cancelled (Lights out), non current seasons of SoA, and a host of reality shows to fill out the schedule, but I'm expected to pay through the nose for this.

I can't watch Boardwalk Empire unless I subscribe to the Uber premium gold pressed latimum package, I'd be happy to shell out $x for HBO, if I could get it by itself,without the bundled bs, to me it's worth it.

So the restrictions put in place by the media companies has forced me to look elsewhere for their content and they aren't legal means.

I'm not justifying what I'm doing, but the reality if I could get what I wanted to watch, when I wanted to (even if it means paying for HuluPlus)I would resort to those alternative methods of getting my fix.

Now you can say wait for the Blu Ray/DVD to come out. OK, so in the above example of Boardwalk Empire, I'll have to wait till next fall (HBO releases the Blu Ray/DVD's just before the next season starts) to watch the previous season and the cost is now higher then if I just paid $X/month to HBO.
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desarollo

join:2011-10-01
Monroe, MI

reply to firephoto
Actually, everything *isn't* paid for. If you actually worked in television (as I have), you'd realize that the hope is that everything is paid for, but often times isn't.

When the next-day's Nielsen report hits the networks *and* the advertisers, a less than promised audience results in a lower rate for the advertising. These days, only stupid advertisers pay the rate card.



elwoodblues
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said by desarollo:

Actually, everything *isn't* paid for. If you actually worked in television (as I have), you'd realize that the hope is that everything is paid for, but often times isn't.

When the next-day's Nielsen report hits the networks *and* the advertisers, a less than promised audience results in a lower rate for the advertising. These days, only stupid advertisers pay the rate card.

I've been in the TV business for 6yrs, lower ratings result in what is we call Make Good, making up for the lower ratings by providing advertising elsewhere for free.
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No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake.......

MyDogHsFleas
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Austin, TX
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reply to n2jtx
Piracy in large part is an expression of unmet consumer demand. The entertainment industry could treat this as an opportunity to be exploited or as an evil to be stamped out. They've kind of gone with the latter. Not really a good business strategy long-term, although they really do have to play whack-a-mole with the most egregious offenders just to keep it not quite so easy to pirate. See my thread "I agree completely" for more detail on how I see Apple as the biggest player in fixing this, at the expense of the entertainment industry.


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