| | Re: Conclusion: more FIOS Hardly.
Investors will read this and say more wireless customers plz.
The wired division is not doing well as Karl mentions that ADSL customers continue to leave. | |
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1 edit | Re: Conclusion: more FIOS Yet their wireline side still made 300 million in the quarter. Thats nothing to sneeze at.
Plus, people are leaving DSL because they have no Fios. | |
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Toledo, OH | Re: Conclusion: more FIOS people would still leave even if they could get FiOS. Most people don't want to sit at home for an entire day getting one service installed. Especially if they have to dig up their lawn to install the Fiber for the house. It's also shown that most people do not need the higher speeds that FiOS offers.
And research has shown that if you give a human more than 3 choices on one thing; they can NOT make a choice and will just stay where they are due to the brain can NOT handle the process. | |
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1 edit | Re: Conclusion: more FIOS Indeed, I would never claim otherwise that people would leave. Rereading my post, I didn't make it clear that I was referring, from Verizon's point of view, that they are leaving because Fios isn't there. Sorry about that.
AS for the install part, it wasn't that big of a deal for me. An inch wide trench placed the fiber drop through the lawn. That was all they did to my property. | |
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| |  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
kudos:1 | Then how do people manage to order at a McDonalds, or buy a car?
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join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA Reviews:
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| said by NWOhio:people would still leave even if they could get FiOS. Most people don't want to sit at home for an entire day getting one service installed. Especially if they have to dig up their lawn to install the Fiber for the house. It's also shown that most people do not need the higher speeds that FiOS offers.
And research has shown that if you give a human more than 3 choices on one thing; they can NOT make a choice and will just stay where they are due to the brain can NOT handle the process.
That's correct. While FIOS remains the premier service available across more of America than any other, the uptake rates within its service areas are insufficient to justify further investment.
While many people are willing to pay a market premium for perceived or actual quality service, not enough are to make it profitable.
In rural and low-density areas, LTE will fill in the need for DSL-like speed - and vanquish any potential for profitable fiber penetration.
Readers of DSLR don't often want to believe it, but the market has spoken, time and again. Most households are not going to pay $70+ for an internet connection. | |
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| | | | LOL Youre such a smart guy. Why dont you reread the statistics and pay special attention to their penetration numbers. Nobody goe to FiOS eh? What was that 4Million stat I read?? Hmm. | |
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| | | Even for people who are able to access FiOS, the services are priced unreasonably and not competitive to the cable prices. All the reason to ditch Verizon all together.
Verizon enforces a business model for "early adopter" FiOS customers to pay for the deployment from those prices.
How do you expect people to switch from cable if there's no financial incentive? It's also why people continue to keep DSL for their services despite inferior speed. It's only to a point when the DSL service becomes unusable due to downtime that people switch over to cable. | |
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| | | | Re: Conclusion: more FIOS Considering the large differences between DOCSIS 3.0 and FioS buildout costs and the large difference in benefits between each company's employees, I don't think there was really much option of serverely undercutting cable prices.
Of course, that brings to question, considering the above differences, why cable doesn't price itself cheaper.
As for switching service, people have different reasons for doing so. I am sure price is a big reason for some. I switched because even a Neo-Luddite like myself has seven devices on the network now and Bright House couldn't match it. | |
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH | Re: Conclusion: more FIOS Who cares if Verizon can undercut a cable company? That's not the point. HD that's not re-compressed and 43/41 internet is the point. | |
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| |  PathfinderDazed ConfusedPremium
join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY
·RoadRunner Cable
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| said by HaloFans:Even for people who are able to access FiOS, the services are priced unreasonably and not competitive to the cable prices. All the reason to ditch Verizon all together.
Maybe where you are. I just took TW cable up on a triple play offer. $89.99 per month for Digital Cable, phone and 10m/512k internet. Price good for one year. Oh and a free DVR for a year. Total after equipment (1 more box and remote) and fees $133 per month. ($10 for a second DVR).
Verizon offer: $99.99 25M/25M internet., Digital phone Fios TV Prime with Showtime TMC for 1 year. AND free for life multi-room DVR and free for life STB.
I hope this is still in place in 2-3 months when my building finally gets wired.
PS the only reason I ditched DSL and took the triple play is because my cable bill was going up to $111 per mo WITHOUT any premium channels. | |
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1 edit | Re: Conclusion: more FIOS Still too expensive. Verizon's pricing can do much better if they're serious about market share.
Look at other countries' pricing structures for fiber optic services. America is dead last in consumer friendly prices.
Foreigners already think Americans are crazy to pay for receiving texts and phone calls for wireless services. Wired line services are already there for outrageous sales practices. | |
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join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY | Re: Conclusion: more FIOS Now it's too expensive? I thought it wasn't competitive. I needn't bother looking at other countries because I am not moving. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Conclusion: more FIOS Same thing. Expensive means not affordable therefore not competitive so stick with lower end services. Verizon needs to 1-up the competition by making the services cheaper than the cable companies. I see that as a $10 markup plus TV box and phone fee additions.
Way to miss the point. My point about other countries is that America is behind and looks really bad when it comes to offering the same electronic services.
Continue drinking that Kool-Aid and say things like we have the best internet. | |
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join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY | Re: Conclusion: more FIOS I drink no Kool-aid. What exactly have you done to lower cable prices? We are just pawns and comparing us to other countries is useless.
As far as the Vz offer goes it winds up cheaper and has more features. | |
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How do the benefits, mainly health, impact the costs. Does partial government ownership have any effect on borrowing or other costs??
Maybe you can tell me. | |
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| said by HaloFans:Foreigners already think Americans are crazy to pay for receiving texts and phone calls for wireless services. I'm an American and I think it's crazy that most of the World you PAY extra money for the privilege of calling your friends who have cell phones. I can call my friends in Finland for 3.9 cents a minute, unless they have cell phones, then it's 16 cents or some such.
They may get "free" incoming calls but the people who call them are paying for the privilege. | |
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| | | I'm thinking of switching from Comcast over to FIOS. I only have internet, but my bill keeps going up, it's up over $80 a month now just for internet.
Granted, I am getting over 30mb/down and average of 5mb/up.
Any chance of me keeping those speeds with a cheaper internet bill each month if I switch to FIOS?
I'm really on the fence, but also getting really tired of how Comcast bill somehow magically continues to go up every couple months with no change to my service.
(small rant here)
When trying to contact Comcast customer service, no matter what time of day I call it's always 'experiencing longer than normal wait times'. Ok, if it's always longer than normal, than what and when do you actually experience normal call wait times?  | |
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| |  amarryatVerizon FiOS
join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA | Re: Conclusion: more FIOS You'd have to look at what Verizon charges for internet alone. Mine is 35/35, but I have the triple play. | |
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| | said by HaloFans:Hardly.
Investors will read this and say more wireless customers plz.
The wired division is not doing well as Karl mentions that ADSL customers continue to leave.
people are leaving dsl because they have faster options like cable. Here on long island cablevision is a great competitor to fios and in most cases a no brainer vs dsl.
I think the problem is that verizon did not expect the level of competition from cable companies like cablevision. Heck with cablevision if your a fios customer you can get a triple play bundle for $69 a month for a year if you switch. | |
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| | | Re: Conclusion: more FIOS You get what you pay for Tom, Cablevision is by FAR the junkiest TV provider out there. | |
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| | | That triple play for $69 has actually been offered to satellite dish customers as well, but for 2 years!
The reasom they can offer such cheap prices is because they rely heavily on contractors and sub-contractors as well as under paying the current employees.
Essentially, the employees are paying for your cheap cable.. How? by the lost wages they would be paying had they not been poorly outfitted subs and underpaid employees.
RIght now in Brooklyn, the cablevision employees are going thru another round of elections to vote a union in. Again they are trying to organize for what I believe is the third try. They have had enough.. Figures pointed out that the coo of cablevision made more money then all of the 285 cable techs COMBINED.
Its pathetic to see how they treat their own employees, and whats worse its absolutely digusting to see a man/woman driving his own vehicle with **passenger plates** and aerial ladders tied to the roof, with child seat and childrens toys in the back seat, doing cable tv installations for cablevision.
Ive seen it plenty of time, they wear a generic tshirt that says "cable tv", no safety gear at most times, and the worst looking worn down vehicles.
Maybe when cablevision can shed that low ball wal-mart mentality and operate as a true responsible business that fios can do better since they wont be able to offer such crazy deals paid for partially by their own employees..
Yes that sucks for us as prices will have to go up but I see the same "wal-mart effect here" where we like to shop walmart b/c of low prices and great deals, but they kill surrounding businesses and most of the employees are receiving some form of govt benefits. | |
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH | Re: Conclusion: more FIOS Good point. The works should unionize since the company won't treat them right. At least around here, the Comcast contractors are professional companies with little trucks that say "authorized Comcast installer" or something like that. | |
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH | Hence, they need more FIOS to retain customers.
Those of you dissing FIOS. What a bunch of spoiled nuts you all are. I wish I could get FIOS. | |
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join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | Re: Conclusion: more FIOS Maybe they make lots more money from cell phones? Also, if there's no FIOS then LTE is an easier sell. | |
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| | | This mentality is exactly the thinking that Verizon and other big corps want you to think. They want you to think of it that we're doing them a big favor aka "the customer is always wrong" in subscribing to their services.
Deregulation in the telecom industry proved to be disastrous, just like the regulation of housing prices that causes an artificially engineered economic bubble to collapse.
This FiOS project and Uverse project were supposed to be completed a long time ago, but through lobbying and paying corporations, they can bend laws to their will.
Just see how Verizon is signing cable agreements just to make sure FiOS won't ever see the light of the day in the near future.
Competitive prices? I'm laughing. This is one big joke.
Corporations are for the people? Give me a break.
Last hope is Google. If Google's fiber project deploys successfully, it's going to be a start of fast affordable internet. | |
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