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said by »www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/939 :Say hello to the Head-Up Display, or HUD, which will ultimately replace menus in Unity applications.
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This is the HUD. It’s a way for you to express your intent and have the application respond appropriately. We think of it as “beyond interface”, it’s the “intenterface”. This concept of “intent-driven interface” has been a primary theme of our work in the Unity shell, with dash search as a first class experience pioneered in Unity. Now we are bringing the same vision to the application, in a way which is completely compatible with existing applications and menus.
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It’s smart, because it can do things like fuzzy matching, and it can learn what you usually do so it can prioritise the things you use often. It covers the focused app (because that’s where you probably want to act) as well as system functionality; you can change IM state, or go offline in Skype, all through the HUD, without changing focus, because those apps all talk to the indicator system. When you’ve been using it for a little while it seems like it’s reading your mind, in a good way.
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We’ll resurrect the (boring) old ways of displaying the menu in 12.04, in the app and in the panel. In the past few releases of Ubuntu, we’ve actively diminished the visual presence of menus in anticipation of this landing. That proved controversial. In our defence, in user testing, every user finds the menu in the panel, every time, and it’s obviously a cleaner presentation of the interface. But hiding the menu before we had the replacement was overly aggressive. If the HUD lands in 12.04 LTS, we hope you’ll find yourself using the menu less and less, and be glad to have it hidden when you are not using it. You’ll definitely have that option, alongside more traditional menu styles.
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There’s still a lot of design and code still to do. For a start, we haven’t addressed the secondary aspect of the menu, as a visible map of the functionality in an app. That discoverability is of course entirely absent from the HUD; the old menu is still there for now, but we’d like to replace it altogether not just supplement it. And all the other patterns of interaction we expect in the HUD remain to be explored. Regardless, there is a great team working on this, including folk who understand Gtk and Qt such as Ted Gould, Ryan Lortie, Gord Allott and Aurelien Gateau, as well as designers Xi Zhu, Otto Greenslade, Oren Horev and John Lea. Thanks to all of them for getting this initial work to the point where we are confident it’s worthwhile for others to invest time in. I like a lot of these ideas, but I hope they wait until 12.10.
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| More wasted time, code, and cruft no one is interested in.
Lets worry less about problems that don't exist and on those that do! 
So whats that mean?
wayland and trying to replace X - WASTE!
Lets IMPROVE X, fine
Trying to impose a "phone" interface on the desktop for the ADD/AHD/crapple crowd. - WASTE!
The GUI metaphor has been determined and set. QUIT screwing with it! If the AHD/ADD/crapple crowd can't deal with it, too bad! And that goes for granny and company too! There are plenty of people who just should not touch a computer. My past boss is one! An etch-a-sketch is a beyond him.
And no we don't need to talk to computers either! It makes for good comic relief with Scotty picking up a crapple mouse, snort, chuckle, BAZINGA!... Now back to real life...
Lets worry about more important stuff, and the user interface and its operation have been well defined, developed. MOVE ON! |
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1 edit | Well, I want Wayland. Geez...
Wayland = Windows Vista/7
X-Server (graphics) = Windows 95/98/2000/XP
If you can't and will never ever accept the change in your whole life, that's fine with me. *sigh*
Of course, there's always KDE, XFCE, or Mint 12 or upcoming Cinnamon.
Update: Oh, pardon me for being so hard on you. At least consider lighten yourself up, though.
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My only issue to this all is that there making the desktop os's geared more to the high end pc's I remember a time when you could dig out an old pc and load a nix os and it run like new compared to windows. Why install something that you will have to disable half of its features because your not equipped for it. |
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MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
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said by TuxRaiderPen:More wasted time, code, and cruft no one is interested in. It's really obnoxious that any time new Ubuntu development is discussed someone has to come in with this tangent. You didn't have one thing to say about the topic. That you do no like the direction of Ubuntu is completely uninteresting and off topic. And to see that crap in such a high number of threads about Ubuntu is troll-like behavior.
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MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
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said by ds5v50:My only issue to this all is that there making the desktop os's geared more to the high end pc's I remember a time when you could dig out an old pc and load a nix os and it run like new compared to windows. Why install something that you will have to disable half of its features because your not equipped for it.
I've got Ubuntu 12.04 running on a five year old laptop with very good performance.
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And now Ubuntu goes into the business of making you buy new hardware to enable you to run their newest OS.
Didn't we go down this road with Windows? I've loved the Ubuntu interpretation of Debian since Dapper. Now I'm sticking to 11.04 and gnome2 until it God knows when. Might even regress to 10.10 for the LTS. After that, if Debian is still out there I might be running it.
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Evanston, IL | If you want new hardware, fine. Just don't blame canonical, okay?
On another note, it looks like they're trying to revive the CLI. I mean sometimes it's simply quicker to type what you want, then to hunt for something in a menu.
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| said by reub2000:If you want new hardware, fine. Just don't blame canonical, okay?
On another note, it looks like they're trying to revive the CLI. I mean sometimes it's simply quicker to type what you want, then to hunt for something in a menu.
Suffice it to say that Canonical has lost me with their "direction". Is that a fair enough statement?
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Canonical uses 1.2 Ghz arm boards as part of their testing. I've used Ubuntu on these devices and it runs fine, even for playing Youtube videos. Ubuntu TV is being developed on these boards as well. |
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| said by Maxo:Canonical uses 1.2 Ghz arm boards as part of their testing. I've used Ubuntu on these devices and it runs fine, even for playing Youtube videos. Ubuntu TV is being developed on these boards as well.
That's great but these are not old systems. Old systems have old video chips and old video chips have terrible support for new opengl routines or in a lot of cases just lack efficient 3d rendering in a general sense.
All the arm boards are built from the ground up to do the heavy lifting of multimedia.
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said by TuxRaiderPen:More wasted time, code, and cruft no one is interested in.
Lets worry less about problems that don't exist and on those that do!
Lets worry about more important stuff, and the user interface and its operation have been well defined, developed. MOVE ON!
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I'm tired of having to learn a completely different interface every two years. I would much prefer simply having an interface that works, works well, and concentrates on fixing the bugs that the new interfaces bring with them, like mouse tracks and imperfect GL artifacts that mess up the screen unless you disable them.
Menus and icons may be "old fashioned" to a developer, but the simple fact of the matter is they work and they work well for everyone.
How would you feel if Detroit totally redesigned the controls of your automobile every year? If suddenly instead of a steering wheel you had to control your vehicle with a mouse or a joystick or a touchscreen or a blow tube each and every year.
These idiot designers should stop tooling around with the basic ergonomics of the interface and concentrate on making the interfaces bulletproof, not more obtuse.  |
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I voiced concern about Canonical's direction and other odds and ends on the Ubuntu forum and was soundly scolded by a moderator and had the thread closed.
I guess I'm just an abusive bastard for having an opinion.
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MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
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Sooooo, anyways. I put it on my laptop last night. I didn't really have any pressing issues to use it. I found it a little difficult getting it to come up. Sometime pressing Alt just made the regular menus appear, and other times it would bring up the HUD. I couldn't exactly find out how to consistently get the HUD to appear when I wanted it and the menus when I wanted them.
It seemed that no matter which application I was in, the HUD was searching all applications. I'm not sure how it is handling many applications that have the same options.
I'll keep playing with it and report back. If nothing else it seems interesting.
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said by Derspankster:I voiced concern about Canonical's direction and other odds and ends on the Ubuntu forum and was soundly scolded by a moderator and had the thread closed.
I guess I'm just an abusive bastard for having an opinion.
It's becoming obvious that they do not want any dissent at all, so our only recourse is to vote with our feet. It's too bad, because as recently as Lucid Lynx, Ubuntu was one of the most friendly and easy-to-use distributions available despite the Debian quirks such as having different runlevel definitions and unstable X-windows "improvements."
Having gotten used to those things, it looks as if I'll be moving to Debian when Lucid reaches EOL. Sorry, 'buntu, we hardly knew ye...
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Wayland: don't agree with you anymore. It's just as valid to have an X server which is a Wayland client, and have apps migrate to Wayland whenever they'd like. Originally I was just as opposed; I don't think it's that big a deal anymore.
The whole "Unity is the one true way": couldn't agree more. That's why I'm looking for another, less ridiculous distro.
A short time ago, I got handed a munched WinXP Home system. Turns out it was some service sucking 100% CPU, maybe malware of some sort; disabled it and basically got the 'puter back to XP usability. Then I thought I'd give the folks some choice, and whacked WUBI onto there, which of course uses the latest, and.....Unity. Do the Canonical folx really think that after a decade or more of windows and menus that their big Unity desktop project is going to win folks over? Not in the least. Aside from the fact that the system performance descended into the crapper, do you think I could, in good conscience, turn this system over to these folks, who are reasonably adept at the XP UI but just needed my system-level expertise, to this radical, non-menued UI redesign? Absah-frakkin-lutely not. I might as well just rip the PSU out of it and hand it back to them; it'd be about as useful to them. The paradigm shift is way beyond too great. It's very simply not a better UI, period. Those on the Unity team seem to think it's the best thing since the invention of the Pentium, but they're sorely quite wrong. It needs to be filed under, it thinks it's clever, but really it's not.
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no, you're just like other sane people, far as I'm concerned. They can't get it through their collective thick skulls that newer isn't always better. To me, this was more of a change in direction for the sake of changing direction rather than any substantive improvement.
Just move on and pick another distro. This one's gone the same way as any other large conglomeration....Microsoft, Novell, Red Hat, Google....thinking they're innovating for the masses when what they're doing is arguably worse for their users.
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So if anyone else wants to crap on this thread without making a single on-topic remark, please don't. Start your own thread. |
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Menus... yeah, it's so "boring" being able to find stuff because you know where to look for it; yes, please, let's not clutter up the space with that ugly-useful info. Hey, just restore the CLI with something like Launchy (but then you'll have to use that old-fashioned keyboard thingy--oooh, bummer). Hmmm... "intenterface" (sounds like tentacles reaching into your brain [through your face]) -- brought to you by the same people who thought binary was too hard for a decimal world to grasp?
Whatever.
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said by Maxo:So if anyone else wants to crap on this thread without making a single on-topic remark, please don't. Start your own thread.
I apologize Maxo. OK, I had a vague notion of what Ubuntu's HUD thing was before you started this thread. I knew then that I disliked even the concept. Your thread made it a reality and I had to respond. The rest of my response was what I call supporting information for my negativity concerning Canonical's direction.
It was never an attack on you personally.
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