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Re: Google to Mandate User Tracking - No Opt Out said by Mele20:"tracking data is innocuous". But you don't want anyone to remember you said that. I wonder why? Because your tinfoil hat is cutting off circulation? I don't know. I haven't edited any of my posts. I just know I don't understand your misinterpretation of reality.
said by Mele20:You don't care if you get liver disease and need a transplant and are denied because Safeway has records of the tons of wine and beer you have been buying for the last 20 years? Do you have an example case? Or is this conjecture? |
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 DrDrew join:2009-01-28 Apple Valley, CA kudos:6 1 edit | reply to Mele20 said by Mele20:You don't care if you get liver disease and need a transplant and are denied because Safeway has records of the tons of wine and beer you have been buying for the last 20 years? Yeah...uh huh... If you get liver disease because of drinking, the doctor, hospital, and insurance company won't need records from Safeway. It'll be all over your liver.
Besides receipts of purchase don't equal consumption by the purchaser, otherwise I've been menstruating, eating pet food, and wearing lingerie for the last ten years... shhh, don't tell my wife and kids.
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 ashrc4Premium join:2009-02-06 australia | reply to EGeezer
Re: Snoopers and miners said by EGeezer:People who think the government is too nosy are now beginning to realize that government data collection, data mining, dossier building and snooping pales in comparison to that of the private sector. Sounds like carrierIQ all over again to me.
"Information we get from your use of our services. We may collect information about the services that you use and how you use them, like when you visit a website that uses our advertising services or you view and interact with our ads and content. This information includes:
Device information
We may collect device-specific information (such as your hardware model, operating system version, unique device identifiers, and mobile network information including phone number). Google may associate your device identifiers or phone number with your Google Account.
Log information
When you use our services or view content provided by Google, we may automatically collect and store certain information in server logs. This may include: details of how you used our service, such as your search queries. telephony log information like your phone number, calling-party number, forwarding numbers, time and date of calls, duration of calls, SMS routing information and types of calls. Internet protocol address. device event information such as crashes, system activity, hardware settings, browser type, browser language, the date and time of your request and referral URL. cookies that may uniquely identify your browser or your Google Account.
Location information
When you use a location-enabled Google service, we may collect and process information about your actual location, like GPS signals sent by a mobile device. We may also use various technologies to determine location, such as sensor data from your device that may, for example, provide information on nearby Wi-Fi access points and cell towers.
Unique application numbers
Certain services include a unique application number. This number and information about your installation (for example, the operating system type and application version number) may be sent to Google when you install or uninstall that service or when that service periodically contacts our servers, such as for automatic updates.
Local storage
We may collect and store information (including personal information) locally on your device using mechanisms such as browser web storage (including HTML 5) and application data caches.
Cookies and anonymous identifiers
We use various technologies to collect and store information when you visit a Google service, and this may include sending one or more cookies or anonymous identifiers to your device. We also use cookies and anonymous identifiers when you interact with services we offer to our partners, such as advertising services or Google features that may appear on other sites."
»www.google.com/policies/privacy/preview/
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Besides: »www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Googl···+News%29
Let's see if they can move their butts for the consumer. |
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Re: Google to Mandate User Tracking - No Opt Out said by mod_wastrel:I see it the other way around: they want to integrate G+ into everything... like a virus.
(Maybe we'll get lucky and three spirits will visit Ebenezer Google [obviously, can't use 'Scroogle' here  ] before Christmas next.) Those three spirits better bring Google some analytics, some ad revenue and some Book Face mojo!  -- The weekend is here, grab a can of beer!
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| reply to DrDrew said by DrDrew:said by Mele20:You don't care if you get liver disease and need a transplant and are denied because Safeway has records of the tons of wine and beer you have been buying for the last 20 years? Yeah...uh huh... Besides receipts of purchase don't equal consumption by the purchaser, otherwise I've been menstruating, eating pet food, and wearing lingerie for the last ten years... shhh, don't tell my wife and kids. I'll Google+ that x 1,000! -- The weekend is here, grab a can of beer!
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| reply to state said by state:I didn't see this posted, if you'd like to look at a sample of the data Google is already collecting about you, just login to their dashboard:
»www.google.com/dashboard/?hl=en
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 therube join:2004-11-11 Randallstown, MD | reply to Noah Vail Dear Google user,
We're getting rid of over 60 different privacy policies across Google and replacing them with one that's a lot shorter and easier to read. Our new policy covers multiple products and features, reflecting our desire to create one beautifully simple and intuitive experience across Google.
We believe this stuff matters, so please take a few minutes to read our updated Privacy Policy and Terms of Service at »www.google.com/policies. These changes will take effect on March 1, 2012.
Easy to work across Google
Our new policy reflects a single product experience that does what you need, when you want it to. Whether you're reading an email that reminds you to schedule a family get-together or finding a favorite video that you want to share, we want to ensure you can move across Gmail, Calendar, Search, YouTube, or whatever your life calls for with ease.
Tailored for you
If you're signed into Google, we can do things like suggest search queries or tailor your search results based on the interests you've expressed in Google+, Gmail, and YouTube. We'll better understand which version of Pink or Jaguar you're searching for and get you those results faster.
Easy to share and collaborate
When you post or create a document online, you often want others to see and contribute. By remembering the contact information of the people you want to share with, we make it easy for you to share in any Google product or service with minimal clicks and errors.
Protecting your privacy hasn't changed
Our goal is to provide you with as much transparency and choice as possible, through products like Google Dashboard and Ads Preferences Manager, alongside other tools. Our privacy principles remain unchanged. And we'll never sell your personal information or share it without your permission (other than rare circumstances like valid legal requests).
Got questions? We've got answers.
Visit our FAQ at »www.google.com/policies/faq to read more about the changes. (We figured our users might have a question or twenty-two.)
Notice of Change
March 1, 2012 is when the new Privacy Policy and Terms will come into effect. If you choose to keep using Google once the change occurs, you will be doing so under the new Privacy Policy and Terms of Service.
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 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | said by therube:(I have not ready any of this thread & may not either?) Well, that's obvious since you posted a page of drivel that we all read some time ago when this thread started! (Or read and then came here to start a thread and found one already started...that's what happened in my case).
Gonna post, you should read the thread first (at least read enough of it to know you didn't need to post what we all have seen some time ago).  -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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 ashrc4Premium join:2009-02-06 australia | reply to DrDrew said by DrDrew:Besides receipts of purchase don't equal consumption by the purchaser No, they don't, they actually do provide far more statistical insight than that. There isn't a major supermarket chain on this planet that isn't trawling through peoples receipts trying to build algorithms and more accurate profiles for better product placement, pushed sales, alternate revenue streams (avenues to sell marketing data) and so on. Nor is wise to not to consider that they don't desire data from others if their endevours to understand each and every customers needs or weeknesses for certain products/days.
If you think your example does anything to discourage them, your very wrong.....If you think that your example may discourage people from caring about what happens in the future i hope you have a better understanding of the issues at hand.
The point worth remembering here's is that no shop has to charge any customer the same for goods. How/why do you think loyalty cards ensnare their victims in the first place. Loyalty cards are only really at phase one of ownership compared to say Googles new TOS. -- Paradigm Shift beta test pilot. "Now is the not right time to stop folding." |
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With ads - what's Google going to do about Amazon? Google can compete in some areas, but I can't buy tool accessories or kitchen gadgets from Google. If I use a friend's computer, and that friend doesn't use Google in any form, how can they track? I have other email accounts besides Gmail.
I'm sorta stuck since I have an Android phone. For some apps, my only other choice would be Apple. Unless I can get my hands on a Nokia N900 locally. I could run my Palm apps. If you use Blackberry, Apple, Symbian or Windows, you can't use Market. Sign out of Gmail. There won't be any services on the phone.
I'm more concerned about the renewal of the jailbreaking permission. It's due for a vote again. I don't want Google telling me I have to unroot my phone. They can't track location on mine except by cell tower. I've frozen Maps, Telnav, and Latitude. |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ | If amazon sends a purchase confirmation to your Gmail account, theoretically, it has been scanned and analyzed in order to send you more relevant ads. -- --Standard disclaimers apply.-- google this "(sqrt(cos(x))*cos(200*x)+sqrt(abs(x))-0.7)*(4-x*x)^0.01, sqrt(9-x^2), -sqrt(9-x^2)" |
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 OZOPremium join:2003-01-17 kudos:2 | said by AVD:If amazon sends a purchase confirmation to your Gmail account, theoretically, it has been scanned and analyzed in order to send you more relevant ads.
And that's exactly what happens. It's not theoretical. Google reads (and collects data from) all your mails. Amazon (and others online stores) sends you mail detailing when and what you have purchased, conveniently offering a link to the web page with product description. Your purchasing price, shipping cost, total cost... And they tell what your exact shipping address is and what's your name on your CC.
Just think for a sec, what Google would need to know more to track you down personally? And the tracking suddenly becomes very personal.
The only solution is - never provide Google's mail account when you purchase something on the web. That's one of the main reasons, why I run my own mail server - to get such mails from the Amazon, eBay, NewEgg and other online stores directly to my server. In this case purchase confirmation never come for peruse by Google or other user profiling companies.
I'm not telling you - run your own mail server. I'm telling - don't provide your GMail (or one, offered for "free" by other data-mining companies) account to web stores, or you'll be tracked down precisely to the point, where you live, what CC do you use (last 4 digits), what's your name, what do you buy and when. And please, don't fool yourself that they don't know you personally. They do. That's why they pay for your "free" mail account... -- Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself... |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ | said by OZO:(or one, offered for "free" by other data-mining companies) what makes you think that paid email accounts are ant better.
At least google is transparent. (fwiw) -- --Standard disclaimers apply.-- google this "(sqrt(cos(x))*cos(200*x)+sqrt(abs(x))-0.7)*(4-x*x)^0.01, sqrt(9-x^2), -sqrt(9-x^2)" |
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 DrDrew join:2009-01-28 Apple Valley, CA kudos:6 3 edits | reply to OZO
said by OZO:The only solution is - never provide Google's mail account when you purchase something on the web. That's one of the main reasons, why I run my own mail server - to get such mails from the Amazon, eBay, NewEgg and other online stores directly to my server. In this case purchase confirmation never come for peruse by Google or other user profiling companies. It only makes it slightly more drawn out since the retailer can sell it to the profiling company, if they aren't one themselves like Amazon and Ebay are.
Then again, the retailer or just about ANY other entity you contact may be using Google services internally, like search, gmail, ad services, voice, etc.
To think you can avoid Google or other data mining operations by not personally using any of their services or products is naive. -- If it's important, back it up... twice. Even 99.999% availability isn't enough sometimes. |
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 | reply to OZO And that's been going on for many years now... and yet, I don't feel burdened by any of the promo offers I get in my "Inbox" (or whatever mailbox I filter them into). They're all of the nature: "Hi, it's us... want to buy some more stuff from us? how about this? pretty, pretty! yadda yadda blah blah blah" -- it's stuff I only see when I feel like it, if I feel like it (and, rarely, there's even something I find interesting). Basically, the organizations I do business with (even "free" ones [such as Google]) show some basic respect for their customers by legitimately identifying themselves properly in their emails (unlike spammers and phishers and such). Have people gotten so paranoid about "privacy" that information that has always been "public" or just essential details that someone you do business with has to know about you in order for them to actually do business with you is actually available to them? Google wants to scan my messages to tailor ads (which I never see by the way) in order to provide an excellent service [known as Gmail]? My response to Google: "knock yourself out". Their service is free... and I'm free to ignore any and all ads (that, again, I never see anyway).
Though, yes, people can opt out: don't use their service.
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 OZOPremium join:2003-01-17 kudos:2 | reply to AVD They could be better (and you've used the right word here - "better"). At least for those mail providers data mining is not their main stream of revenue (like for the Google and such). And in front of their customers they have a responsibility for the "mail service", not for a shadow business of the data mining.
Again, it's just "better" and, of course, doesn't guarantee anything. But even using a free mail provider, not associated with Google will help you to keep your data more or less private (separate). The worst case, obviously, is to use GMail to get those "courtesy" confirmation mails and to directly link them to your search requests, mapping points or interests, daily Navigation routes, Latitude tracking data, etc. -- Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself... |
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 OZOPremium join:2003-01-17 kudos:2 | reply to mod_wastrel If you run your own mail service, you know who is spamming you. It's easy to do and it was discussed many times on this forum how to do that. Give every shop/service/bank personalized email address and watch what they do with that... Again, it's very easy to see i(and block) if someone starts to abuse your trust. -- Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself... |
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 Phoenix22Death From AbovePremium join:2001-12-11 SOG C&C Nrth | reply to Noah Vail well lets see here....does google allow back door trojans....example...listening to my playlists on my utoob channel and MSE goes nutz and haltz >>Exploit:JS/Blacole.BA (?) in itz tracks......i'm behind my router......so my curiosty is piqued as 2where this little jerk came from....i'm also runnin' w7 and ffox9.........jd this begs the question as 2what am i missing -- 101ST ABN Div. (AirAssault) "Rendezvous With Destiny!" "Night Stalkers/Phoenix Flight" For Buddy...who lived it! Whiskey for my men and beer for my horses! H.A.L.O!, 5th Grp., MACV SOG, 160TH AVN SOG, Death From Above, VFW, AmLegion |
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