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cerrmj

join:2005-07-05
Springfield, MO

Need QUAD (or more) WAN - what router?

Hello,

Anyone know if there is a 4 (or more) WAN port router out there that will load balance across all of the WAN ports?

Thanks in advance,
Bob.

Here is the background...

I have a client with a mail-order business located out in the country. The best they can get is a 1.5Mbps DSL line. I currently have them setup with 2 DSL lines (2 modems) and a Cisco Small Business RV082 router that has dual WAN ports. I have it setup for load balancing and it is working great combining the 2 DSL modems into what looks like a single connection to the workstations.

They have added staff and need more speed, so I'm looking for a router with more than 2 WAN ports that can load balance - I think they will at least want to get to 4 DSL modems and possibly more in the future.

I tried 'chat' with Cisco to see what they would recommend, but the agent was no help at all and kept pasting marketing text from the website into the chat window.


mozerd
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join:2004-04-23
Nepean, ON

I suggest the Draytek 3300 and if ur interested send me a PM and I will fill you in on a bargin.


jimbopalmer
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join:2008-06-02
Greenwood, MS
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reply to cerrmj
RV016 can have as many as 7 WANs
»www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps9···dex.html
It will be familiar to set up.
If you mix DSL and Cable, the ISPs will provide redundancy for each other.
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cerrmj

join:2005-07-05
Springfield, MO

Thanks for the suggestions. I saw the RV016, but wasn't sure it would load balance among all the WAN ports. The Cisco guy was no help with that question and pointed me to the Cisco 1941 series which then needs additional WAN interface cards - a very expensive solution.

What is cool about the current RV082 is that any one workstation will see speed tests of more than 2.4Mbps as it seems to combine the packets across the two 1.5Mbps modems to create a faster combined speed.

Have you used the RV016 and seen that it can load balance like the RV082 - but across 4 or more WAN ports?


jimbopalmer
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Greenwood, MS
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reply to cerrmj
I have not, I use one RV082 to VPN to 5 RV042. I just knew it existed.

»www.ebay.com/sch/Computers-Netwo···500|3000

You could pick up one used as a test, then use it as a backup
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Anav
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join:2001-07-16
Dartmouth, NS
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reply to cerrmj
Yeah the lowest model USG that can do that is the USG 300 it has seven configurable Gigabit ports your choice of wan, lan and dmz. Its not cheap at a street price of $930 which makes the Draytek at around $435 seem attractive. Unless you need more than 4...........

»www.us.zyxel.com/Products/detail···79CE2C44
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cramer

join:2007-04-10
Raleigh, NC
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reply to cerrmj
One note... what you are looking for is also known as a "link load balancer". Lots of places make load balancers -- I used to make them with a few linux hacks (which are, today, a base part of the kernel.)

The reason you're seeing speed tests greater than a single line is because the test uses multiple connections. A single connection will only ever be able to reach the line speed of the line it's using.



clarknova

join:2010-02-23
Fairview, AB
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reply to cerrmj
pfsense does multi-WAN, but requires that each WAN have a unique gateway. A simple workaround is to place a NAT device between each WAN and its gateway.

A nice plus is that you can also accomplish this with vlans, so a single physical NIC attached to a vlan-capable switch is sufficient to accomplish what you want. I'm currently connected to 7 modems in this fashion (although my provider does MLPPP, which is nicer than load-balancing).
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Anav
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join:2001-07-16
Dartmouth, NS
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Hey Clarke, thats an interesting concept. Program a router to accept multiple modem inputs via a VLAN switch to a single WAN port on the Router such that each modems traffic is assigned to a VLAN and if the router can read the tags handle the incoming appropriately.

I am using multiple VLANs on a single ISP coming in to route traffic for internet and IPTV. This is multiple ISPs and Vlans hmmmmmm
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clarknova

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Yes, it's been working rather swimmingly for me for over a year now, and fairly intuitive, I think.
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HELLFIRE

join:2009-11-25
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reply to cerrmj
Netgear SRX5308 is a quad WAN device you could look into.

Peplink is also another option, but to get 4 links, you're looking at 3.5K at least, based on
their specs sheet.

This came up in another thread, but what kind of loadbalancing / bundling are you looking to do?
Most gear off the shelf in the sub-$200 basically won't exist, or will have a VERY limited
feature-set.

Seriously though, how bad is the ISP provider situation where this company is they're reduced to
bundling a bunch of DSL lines to get higher speeds? Are there other internet service options out there?

Regards


Kirby Smith

join:2001-01-26
Derry, NH

reply to Anav
I agree Anav. The more I think about it the more impressed I am with Clarke's scheme.

Now all I need are a dozen more ONTs and a ZyXEL USG10000 to do IDP and AV on all that bandwidth.

kirby
2 ONTs and a ZyXEL USG50



Anav
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Well I have one ONT and one USG100, although I could throw the USG300 into the mix. What I am going to attempt to ascertain is if the USG can do the same thing. For example on a USG 100 (dual waN), turn it into a multi-wan device by using vlans and a smart switch in between the modems and the router.


Kirby Smith

join:2001-01-26
Derry, NH
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I'm fairly confident that a Cisco SG200-26 can do this (up to 25 WANs), and suspect the counterpart ZyXEL [forget the number] switch can also. However, I believe you need to set the modems to have IP addresses within the IP ranges you intend to establish in the router for the VLANs, and you need to define those same VLANs in the switch. The untagged messages from the modems would go through ports set to be Access ports (that would tag them). Each Access port would be associated with a specific VLAN, and the switch output port to the router should probably be set to be a Trunk type port that leaves tags alone.

The switch itself will need an IP address that the router can recognize, not in the range of any VLAN, but instead in the range assigned to the LANx port in the router. The VLAN IP address ranges will likely need static routes established in the router (two hops via the switch IP address) so the router knows to send out the VLAN message traffic via LANx.

I haven't done this, so one hopes that Clarke will chime in if necessary.

kirby


HELLFIRE

join:2009-11-25
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reply to cerrmj

said by cerrmj:

The Cisco guy was no help with that question and pointed me to the Cisco 1941 series which then needs additional WAN interface cards - a very expensive solution.

Admittedly, Cisco is more in the business of non-ethernet WAN connectivity. If you want
all-ethernet WAN interfaces, you're better off looking at a Juniper Netscreen 208 or SSG5.

What type of DSL is in use with this company? I'm surprised Cisco didn't suggest something
like a 28xx router and 4 HWIC-1ADSL cards -- you can knock around ebay and see if you can
get lucky and pick up a couple of these cards for cheap and bundle the DSL that way.

Regards

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