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Re: providers? Well I did get a letter from my rep stating if I want to resell it I would have to sign that letter. Do you want to see that Email with that agreement? |
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join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH | see; i told you there was more than just the email. And its just more than signing that letter. TWC is only out for the $$ especially with those Sales Reps. They're paid base plus 75% commission they'll sell you the company if they could. And that was my point that you just can't sell the service there is MUCH more to it than just hooking up to it.
You request and then the company can either 1- approve or 2- deny. |
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Which they probably will approve it because I know couple wisp's here in ohio uses time warner cable for there connection. |
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aip09
join:2012-01-13
Richland, MO | reply to viper3431
So working with shometech. I'm either going to use them for a provide or layer2 transport. If I use them for the transport what is a good company to use for internet service? Preferably one that doesn't cost a small fortune. |
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Chele
join:2003-07-23
kudos:1 | We had Charter rewrite the contract because they did not allow reselling their connection in their standard contract. The rep(actual Charter employee) said it was OK that it was just a formality, we told her "if it's not in writing, it's not happening"--we had the revised version the next day. |
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It's going to depend how much bandwidth you're looking for really. If it is just transport you want then I'd see what your options are to an interconnect (likely KC, STL, or Springfield). From there you can check with them for bandwidth costs. If you want to make it easy however ask ShoMe what they'll give you to the public internet & who they peer with. The advantage there is that you can rely on their redundant network and have one point of contact in case of trouble. |
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Regarding just transport, the primary interconnects are at:
St. Louis
Bandwidth Exchange
900 Walnut Street
Kansas City
1102 Grand
1102grand.com
Many, Many options. |
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See problem with that is you have to probably pay a interconnection fee on top of the bandwidth fee+transport fee so that would double the cost. So think twice before you do something what viper said. Try to see if cogentco can work with you and whoever fiber is in your town to see if they can get you 50 or 100meg fiber package. |
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| I didn't recommend interconnecting with someone else but was rather providing the information that was requested. If it were me, I'd certainly ask for them to provide the entire circuit as it will simplify everything. Being the local player I can almost guarantee they will be lower than anyone else as I currently use them for multiple circuits. The last time I checked on bandwidth neither Charter nor AT&T could come close on a fiber circuit.
And to boot, my experience with their support has been excellent. I've been using them since 2005 and don't have any gripes. |
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said by treichhart:Try to see if cogentco can work with you and whoever fiber is in your town to see if they can get you 50 or 100meg fiber package.
Cogent and Time Warner are nowhere near the OP. The local fiber provider in Richland is in fact ShoMe. |
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Well cogent is no where close to me either but the rep and his manager told me they said they can get me reached via using time warner cable fiber line.
cogent can get to you along as the the local carrier can get national access to major players in the backbone. |
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| Yes, but that would be Cogent via Time Warner transport. Even if Cogent handles the transport agreement with Time Warner you're still footing the bill for both. You already suggested that the OP should not do this because of the potential for additional interconnect fees.
Don't take this the wrong way but I'm in the same state as the OP and quite frankly not too far up the road. The provider I suggested is very likely the OPs best solution and they can do direct internet access or just provide transport. I have been using them for many years and they have ALWAYS been cheaper than the other providers including Charter (based in STL mind you) and AT&T.
I'm even willing to bet if you called Cogent on this one they would get ShoMe to provide the transport to their STL or Kansas City interconnects....which are at 900 Walnut in STL and 1102 Grand in KC. Yes, I already mentioned both of these locations in a previous post regarding transport only. »www.cogentco.com/network/cogent-···le&id=40 |
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I was told I would not be paying time warner at all and not even install charge from time warner. |
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1 edit | Treichhart, it is pretty clear you don't have a full understanding of how this works.
Regardless of what they told you, somebody is paying Time Warner for the use of their circuit. They're not just giving away the transport. In your scenario you wouldn't be paying Time Warner, rather Cogent would on your behalf and charge it to you as part of your contracted price. |
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Hey viper dont be telling somebody what to do buddy I am just telling you what I was told ok. |
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| Treichhart, I was trying to help you understand how this works. Nobody gives transport away for free. It is really that simple. How many of these types of circuits have you negotiated & manage? You suggest the OP go with Cogent, which needs transport to STL or KC via another provider. When I mentioned that exact same thing (ShoMe for transport) you shot it down. It simply reflects your inexperience regarding the topic and lack of understanding of the process.
To the OP - let us know what you find/decide to do....sorry for somewhat hijacking your thread. |
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You dont need to try start a flame war either. viper3431 I see you basically trolling the topic. |
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jcremin
join:2009-12-22
Siren, WI
kudos:2 | reply to treichhart
said by treichhart:problem with that is you have to probably pay a interconnection fee on top of the bandwidth fee+transport fee so that would double the cost. The prices all depend on who you are working with and what they charge. But it's typically not double the cost to transport bandwidth vs buying from the local company, in fact many times it is cheaper. There are basically 3 options and each have their ups and downs:
1) buy dedicated internet directly from a local company.
+Most likely the easiest and cheapest option for starting small (less than 100 megs).
+only one contact to deal with
-you are buying your bandwidth from the very company you are competing with and telling your customers to avoid (looks like a double standard)
-cost can be much more than transport when you go large scale
-no redundancy of providers
2) buy bandwidth from a tier1 provider (like Cogent) and let them negotiate the transport for you.
+only one provider to deal with
+they might be able to negotiate a better rate for transport than you
+not buying actual bandwidth from your competitor
-still stuck with one provider
-high cost for starting small since most companies don't want to deal with less than 100 megs of transport
3) buy transport from a local company to a datacenter and then buy bandwidth from a provider in the datacenter.
+you have full control of your network
+not buying actual bandwidth from your competitor
+multiple options for bandwith at the datacenter
-high cost for starting small since most companies don't want to deal with less than 100 megs of transport
-multiple companies to deal with if something goes wrong.
Whichever option you go with, someone still has to provide the bandwith, and someone still has to provide the transport to get it to you.
said by treichhart:So think twice before you do something what viper said. Try to see if cogentco can work with you and whoever fiber is in your town to see if they can get you 50 or 100meg fiber package.
Like was said above, Cogent would simply be negotiating the transport with the local provider and adding it into the overall cost.
right now, I purchase my bandwidth from another WISP because I only need around 30 megs at the moment. I can get similar pricing through Centurylink on DIA (dedicated internet access) as I can through the WISP, but I don't want to buy their bandwidth because they are the ones I tell my customers to avoid. Once I get to the point I can afford a full 100 megs, I'm going to get a dedicated fiber point to point to a datacenter where I can purchase my own bandwidth. The cost per meg at 100 megs is cheaper (including 100 meg fiber, 100 meg Cogent connection, and 100 meg interconnect at the datacenter) than it is for the DIA. When I am ready for more than 100 megs, the price for each goes up slightly, but it is only a marginal upgrade from the 100 meg pricing. This makes the transport option much cheaper than the DIA in large quantities.
In the end, it really depends on how you want to run your business, what is available, and how much it costs. I would recomment not telling someone to simply avoid an option unless it really were a bad option. I personally see either of the options being very valid depending on the situation. |
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Joe
I just wanted to tell the OP the quote I got from Cogent and TWC fiber 50meg and 100meg
for 50meg TWC would be 1950 and Cogent would be 1650 on (3 Year deal)
for 100meg TWC would be 3500 and Cogent would 2200 on (3 year deal)
As you see there is little bit savings with cogent vs twc which as I was told that you pay more on twc because they are also a telco vs cogent is pure fiber national company tier1 and no telco in it. |
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jcremin
join:2009-12-22
Siren, WI
kudos:2 | said by treichhart:for 50meg TWC would be 1950 and Cogent would be 1650 on (3 Year deal)
for 100meg TWC would be 3500 and Cogent would 2200 on (3 year deal) That basically confirms what I (and a few others) are saying. The Cogent prices are just the combination of bandwidth AND transport bundled into one price. It also backs up what I was saying about transporting bandwidth possibly being cheaper than just buying bandwidth locally, and the savings skyrocket as the quantity of bandwidth increase.
The main reason for the savings is mainly because Cogent probably has thousands of agreements with TWC and is able to negotiate lower transport costs than if you approached TWC directly. If you paid Cogent for bandwidth and TWC for transport, the 50 meg pricing would probably be more expensive, and the 100 meg pricing might end up being break even, or just small savings.
Now also understand that if you live in a really remote area without any really large providers, someone like Cogent may not have the pull to negotiate better pricing, or may not want to work with you at all, so remember that other people may not have the same options as you and will have to consider alternative methods than what you can use. |
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