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[Internet] Bell Fibe 16

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Yes it is fibre optics, you have the direct line right to your home. The fibre terminates at your home, in order for it to be delivered to you throughout the home, it technically has to come through the copper phone lines (otherwise how else would you receive it?) There is only phone/copper and cat5 cabling throughout your home. So it must be delivered one way. This does not affect the speed or quality in any way, since the fibre actually terminates in your home.

If you are getting that info from Roger’s it is a marketing tactic used to scare people into thinking they are still getting the old dsl (digital service line) internet delivered over copper lines. This is not true.

Bell does not throttle with fibre, and is aiming to completely cut throttling when the old dsl service is obsolete completely. It is primarily the cable companies that do because they used shared cable to deliver the internet/cable so this allows people who pay for more usage to get more out of it, while limiting the use for heavy users (for gaming, downloading, etc). Here check out this link:

»www.huffingtonpost.ca/peter-nowa···862.html

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The real experts will post with the specifics, but generally speaking this is Bell bull$hit. The fibre does not terminate in your home.
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reply to Dirrty
Bell's marketing team do not make any distinction between fiber optics and DSL. You don't know what you are going to end up with when you order.
For them, fiber is anything that they call "fibe", even if it's really DSL most of the times. They do not know what ADSL2+ and VDSL2 means.

reply to Dirrty
Thanks for the replies, keep them coming!

I did some digging online and seems like this area im moving into (new development - cathedraltown) does have fiber optics in place. The bell new home rep said the same.

Is this fiber optics or either way im still restricted to the copper/phone lines as they say?

reply to Dirrty
If you have FTTH (Fibre to your home) then the fiber really terminates in your house.

Nothing to do with the copper in your house after that except for the phones. You will either connect wirelessly to the Bell modem/router or with a Cat5 cable.

I have Fibe 16 + FibeTV with 4 receivers + phone and Internet is constant at 16mbps even while watching all HD on TV.

reply to Dirrty
If FTTN or FTTH, you'll get good speed... so no real worries.

Pretty sure both are throttled, but it depends on your area. My FTTN vdsl2 speed is throttled, but they did say they're going to stop.

Cable is not always throttled, just look at Videotron.

FTTH = fiber in your home with a ONT.

FTTN = Fiber to the node (brown box outside), which end with copper to your home.

What you call FTTN is what is called "DSL" in the rest of the world.
Aka 100% copper internet. As long as there is a DSL modem and a phone jack it isn't fiber.

reply to zorxd

There is some sort of modem for FTTH but it's not a DSL modem. It's called the ONT. The Sagemcom, from what I understand, is only an ethernet router, not a modem. Also even if there is a phone jack (for the phone), your internet doesn't pass through it.

I just find it funny that in Europe and elsewhere they all have ADSL2+ and call it DSL. It's only in Canada that we try to make you believe that it's now fiber optics. It's the only place that we insist to call it FTTN. Think about it. If someone ask you do you have cable, DSL or fiber, are you going to answer "neither, I have that new thing called FTTN?"

I you lived close enough from the CO and the server 56k could be 40-95% copper too. Most of the internet is on fiber anyway, and this has always been true. On the other hand I switched from 6 Mbps ADSL to "Fibe 16" and I still have the exact same amount of copper.

Cable companies are deploying fiber too closer to homes too and they didn't rename their network to make you believe that it is now fiber optics instead of cable (even if it technically satisfies the FTTN definition). Of course what matter is the speed. That's why I don't understand what Bell don't just call it 16 Mbps DSL.

reply to zorxd

There is nothing wrong with VDSL2 it's a good technology. I just don't see the need of calling this copper technology fiber.

You don't have more fiber then copper. You only have copper, because that's what's in your house. The fiber from the remote is not yours, neither is the cross-atlantic fiber that you are using to reach a server in Europe. Just like a 56k user does not have fiber just because he happens to live next door from the CO and ISP.
Finally, I got my line upgraded from 6 to 16 Mbps and I have the exact same length on copper on my line. It's not because you switch to ADSL2+ that you get a shorter copper loop. Hence I was no less on a FTTN topology then I am now.

There is still a difference between fiber and DSL. Sometimes with DSL you don't get the full speed. Some people can get 16 Mbps download but only, say, 800 kbps upload. Or maybe only 14 Mbps down, who knows? That's why some people ask if they have real fiber or plain old DSL and it is a legitimate question.

Kovy is completely right. Zorxd, there are slams in neighbourhoods which are fed fiber cable from the CO. From that slam to your house it is copper but that distance is generally less then 1.5 km.

Kovy explained FTTH, where the fiber actually enters your house and goes into a gateway to which then it connects to the sagecom. anything after that is your deal. Some houses even have fiber wiring to every room. I am using fibe 16 and my latency is very low (10ms) even though i have about 900meters of copper on my line. and I am able to get 25mbps/7mps service if i were to upgrade.

The only time you wont get the full speed is when your line is not 100% (factors due to noise,faulty cable, etc or the wiring in your house). I do speed tests like no tomorrow and it has been always 16 meg service at any time of the day. Real fibe or DSL should not matter when the service is 99% the same, in fact you probably wouldn't notice a difference with a full fiber connection at the same 16 meg speed.

reply to zorxd

reply to zorxd

Yes, and if you were connected to the CO, what speed could you get?

The people who pay for 6 and only get 3mbsp is because there loop lenght is too long... hence why FTTN or FTTH is required, which is what we've been discussion all along.

reply to kovy
The last mile is the part between you and the remote. It is 100% copper. Only, recently the last mile has become shorter and shorter. It has never been a mile anyway.

I was on a remote when I was on 5000/800. I was then upgraded to 6000/800 on the same copper.
Then I paid for an upgrade to Fibe 16. So I then had 19000/800. I had problems with my line (since the beginning) and they finally fixed it so I asked for my upload speed to be raised. It was raised to 1000, and I can't get more (I would need maybe 1150 to get the speed I am paying for). If I didn't do anything they would have left my profile to 19000/800. They don't care if my speed is lower.

Even under 1km, there are a lot of cases where you can't get the full speed. That's why Bell limits ADSL2+ profiles to about 19 Mbps (Fibe 16)

People have a lot of problems with DSL and many people want to get rid of it. Yes FTTH might have some other problems but at least you will always get the full speed.

last mile is the last part of the connection. It runs from the DSLAM to the modem and is 100% copper. The throttling doesn't have to be done on the last mile.
Then there is fiber from the DSLAM to my ISP. But this is no longer part of the last mile.