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robman50

join:2010-12-14

[My Review] Old systems

Here is my list of old systems that seem to run forever (get ready to laugh). Most of these are my own, some of them are from people who where going to scrap their old systems so I took them.

AMD Athlon:
ASUS motherboard (I forgot what model it is), Athlon 500, 128MB PC 66 RAM

Pentium 3 era:
Used to be the old family computer but I put it back in service for my grandpa - Dell™ Dimension™ 4100 Pentium 3 933mhz, 512MB RAM, 20GB HDD, Windows 2000 SP4

AMD Athlon:
ASUS A7Pro, Athlon 1000 (Thunderbird) 512MB PC100, 20 GB HDD,
Windows 2000 SP4

Pentium 4 era:
Mine - Socket 478 - Dell OptiPlex GX280, Windows XP SP3

My secondary gaming system - LGA775 - Custom made: ASRock 775Dual-880Pro, 3.2Ghz, 2GB RAM, 160GB HDD, Windows 7 SP1

Spare parts:
Pentium 90Mhz
Athlon 450Mhz
ATI Rage 128 AGP
ATI Mach 64 PCI
Sound Blaster 16 ISA

So does anyone have any old systems that still run as something to work on?

I keep these old systems to teach myself how to build and rebuild on all different generations of technology.


howardfine

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I have not bought a new computer since 2001 as people "upgrade" their Windows systems and give them to me for free. In addition to these systems, I have 6 high end CRT monitors, two of which are almost new. Needless to say, I run FreeBSD on all of them except for one Linux box.

PIII 550Mhz 192Mb Gateway systems that my company still has customers on and are used as servers.

Three P4 1.8Ghz 2Gb systems we use for software development for said customer web sites.

The wife is still using a Dimension 3000 which is 7 years old, I think. She runs WinXP on it just for bookkeeping with QuickBooks.


robman50

join:2010-12-14

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I find since I grew up with MS-DOS and Windows, mostly 95/98/ME/XP and I was a bit to young to fully remember the good old DOS days, that any Windows from 95 to 7 is rather boring.
I try different operating systems for a whole new learning experience.

Edit: I just tried FreeBSD and did not realize it had no desktop GUI on the CD release. So it just left me at an command prompt and yes I had no clue what I was doing. lol



Dissembled

join:2008-01-23
Indianapolis, IN

reply to robman50
As a gamer, those systems are nothing more than paperweights unfortunately.

I'll keep my last rig in the closet for a couple years for parts, just in case, but I have yet to find any kind of real use for them.



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reply to robman50
If you are new to Linux, get a distro such as Ubuntu, Mint, or SuSE. I use the latter. I have a LOT to learn still, I haven't gotten into the codification of the OS too much. Unless you want to do a lot of reading and research, one of those 3 might be a good choice.

As far as re-purposing an old system, that is great!
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robman50

join:2010-12-14

I could toss in an DVD drive in to the Athlon 1000 system to allow me to install systems that come in DVD format.
For memory, would it be better to have more RAM and slower speeds (example 512mb pc66 or pc 100) or less RAM and higher speeds (128mb, 256mb pc 133).
Not sure if this is the place to ask this question but if I have pc 100 RAM, how fast can I run it at? Can I run it at 133Mhz?

As for systems; should I try to run a server system? Maybe I can try running an PXE service to test out booting over a network? Or maybe even an media server?

Not sure if I really need an server/client network for the stuff I do but I'm sure its worth the learning experience.
What would be a good server O/S for an system that old? Windows NT4 or 2000?


robman50

join:2010-12-14

Well I guess before I do anything I should first test the spare RAM sticks I have.


robman50

join:2010-12-14

said by robman50:

Well I guess before I do anything I should first test the spare RAM sticks I have.

Update: That system is running at 384MB now. The bad stick was an 256MB PC133.

Would 384MB be enough RAM to run Linux with an desktop such as GNOME, KDE, LXDE or XFCE.

robman50

join:2010-12-14

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said by robman50:

AMD Athlon:
ASUS motherboard (I forgot what model it is), Athlon 500, 128MB PC 66 RAM

It's an ASUS P5a motherboard.

xrobertcmx
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reply to Dissembled
I bought parts in '03 to build a machine. It has since been upgraded 1 piece at a time, and the only thing left from the original build is a 160GB sata 1.5 drive. All of these parts used to end up in my home server, but are now handed down. I have a rotation.
I refurbished the server a year or so back, it has 5TB and stores my DVD and BD collection, runs media tomb, and runs folding at home, it only uses 109W at 100% CPU utilization. Right now it has a Athon II X3 45W CPU, but I am looking at the E-350...I just don't think it can do gigabit or transcode in realtime.
You might consider something like that, most televisions, BD players, PS3's, and possibly even the xbox 360 can play back media via a upnp server. I know my phone can. And if your gaming machine is anything like mine ripping a DVD is trivial, and Blu ray is just setting it and going to make coffee.
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reply to robman50
The oldest computer I have in use anywhere is a 386 that runs a voicemail system. I've thought about upgrading it but the 4-port phone card is ISA. When the time comes, I think we'll make a quantum leap to modern technology.

At home, the oldest I have is a Dell 755 with a Q6600. I come by computers often enough that, to avoid clutter, I skip anything that isn't at least DDR2-based and has a Pentium D or better CPU.

I ran my website for a while from home using FreeBSD on a PIII with 384MB. It was fun but that was years ago. Easier now just to pay for hosting.
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pog
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said by robman50:

For memory, would it be better to have more RAM and slower speeds (example 512mb pc66 or pc 100) or less RAM and higher speeds (128mb, 256mb pc 133).
Not sure if this is the place to ask this question but if I have pc 100 RAM, how fast can I run it at? Can I run it at 133Mhz?

The amount of RAM you need will depend on the OS and services you intend to run. In terms of speeds, there's a difference between being able to install and use the RAM vs what speed it actually runs at in a given machine. I don't remember any boards that could run at 66, 100 and 133. A slower board might take 133mhz RAM but run it at 100. (A 100/133 board probably won't take 66mhz RAM at all). Firing up memtest is one easy way to quickly assess this, if the BIOS doesn't report it properly.
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RWild
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reply to robman50
Friggin' "new age" BS.

IBM PS/2 Model 80-111 - Win 3.11
IBM PS/2 Model 95 (too stiff to try to read the label) - Warp 4
Dell something or the other, Pentium Pro - WinNT / Warp 4 dual boot.

These are not in my "24/7" group of machines but they have work-related files on them that I occasionally need to access.


robman50

join:2010-12-14

said by RWild:

IBM PS/2 Model 80-111 - Win 3.11

Now that is a true DOS box.
What version of DOS is it runnung? My last DOS box was MS-DOS 6.22.

robman50

join:2010-12-14

reply to pog
Maybe you can upgrade that 386 to a 486? I think the Pentium motherboards still have ISA slots. Or maybe it was the Pentium 2's that where the last to support the ISA bus.


robman50

join:2010-12-14

reply to pog
I am running 384MB, 2 sticks of PC100 and 1 stick of PC133. The BIOS is set at a RAM speed of 100Mhz so I don't fry the PC100 sticks by running them at 133Mhz.



RWild
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reply to robman50
I bought it to run OS/2 but, by the time OS/2 got to be pretty polished (Warp 3/4), it was too much for for it, even with an after-market CPU/FPU. It runs Windows for Workgroups on PC DOS 7.0



benc
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said by robman50:

Maybe you can upgrade that 386 to a 486? I think the Pentium motherboards still have ISA slots. Or maybe it was the Pentium 2's that where the last to support the ISA bus.

     Pentium II/III motherboards regularly had ISA slots.  In fact, it was taken for granted.  Although that was the last generation of processors when this was true.

     There are Pentium 4 (Socket 775) motherboards that support ISA, but they are rare and pricey.  Here's one of them: »www.ibase.com.tw/2009/mb930.html

     To use ISA on any newer platform you would have to be prepared to spend quite a bit of money, making it cost effective in only a few cases.


aurgathor

join:2002-12-01
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Looks to me that's a mobe for embedded systems/industrial controls, not for regular PC use.

BTW, what is slave only ISA? "1 x ISA (slave only)"
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benc
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said by aurgathor:

BTW, what is slave only ISA? "1 x ISA (slave only)"

     If I had to venture a guess, it has to do with bus mastering, although in such a situation there isn't any slave device, per se, if I understand this correctly.

     So an ISA card that does this, maybe even requires this, can't be used.

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