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mod_wastrel
iamwhatiam

join:2008-03-28
kudos:1

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It's all about the money.

There are scores of people who'd be fine with 3000/768 speeds--they just don't need 50/20 or even 15/2 speeds. But can they get it for the price it's worth? Nope! And these days it's worth about $15/mo. [if that]. If the telcos won't invest, then they need to go for the "value" market and drop their prices. If they aren't going to compete on product, then they need to compete on price.
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trparky
Apple... YUM
Premium,MVM
join:2000-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:2
I don't know about that. If you have multiple people in the house and they all use the Internet, ultra high speeds are a must.


mod_wastrel
iamwhatiam

join:2008-03-28
kudos:1
You're absolutely correct... but as I said, scores of people don't need that (and they'd be glad to leave their cableco to get cheaper service that gives them just the speeds they need and are willing to pay [only so much] for).
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DownTheShore
RIP tmpchaos
Premium
join:2003-12-02
Beautiful NJ
kudos:14
Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
I dropped down to the lowest tier DSL from cable because I needed to financially retrench for a while. The speeds at that level (approx 900/200) are insufficient for today's internet that has any kind of video content. All those embedded videos in web pages, especially news providers? Forget about it. Streaming video? Forget it. Downloading purchased games or videos? Think hours of download time. Flash-intensive sites? You can go make a sandwich while you wait for it to load. (And yes, you can block Flash, but then you wind up with page that looks like it went through the Army censors of WW2).

Yes, you can email and yes, you can surf the net. But the web and its sites are no longer designed to minimize download times because the assumption now is that everyone has a fast process, plenty of RAM, and a fast internet connection.
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mod_wastrel
iamwhatiam

join:2008-03-28
kudos:1
Yeah, that is too slow for those tasks, but it's probably fast enough for people who don't really want to use the Internet in the first place except when they have to (email, pay bills, and things you just can't do any other way any more). I think the providers ought to come up with another plan for these kinds of folk: pick any day of the week and you can have full speed for that day -- every other day you don't get access -- so, you get typical access speeds on, say, every Tuesday for $9.95/mo. (or whatever amount that's small). I expect there'd be lots of people who'd be fine with that.
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r81984
Fair and Balanced
Premium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·row44
reply to mod_wastrel
said by mod_wastrel:

There are scores of people who'd be fine with 3000/768 speeds--they just don't need 50/20 or even 15/2 speeds. But can they get it for the price it's worth? Nope! And these days it's worth about $15/mo. [if that]. If the telcos won't invest, then they need to go for the "value" market and drop their prices. If they aren't going to compete on product, then they need to compete on price.

ATT has the cheapest prices.
I get 6 mbps for $25 a month, cable is twice the price.
Now if ATT went back to pre 2011 and dropped their caps they would be the best ISP ever.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4
said by r81984:

said by mod_wastrel:

There are scores of people who'd be fine with 3000/768 speeds--they just don't need 50/20 or even 15/2 speeds. But can they get it for the price it's worth? Nope! And these days it's worth about $15/mo. [if that]. If the telcos won't invest, then they need to go for the "value" market and drop their prices. If they aren't going to compete on product, then they need to compete on price.

ATT has the cheapest prices.
I get 6 mbps for $25 a month, cable is twice the price.
Now if ATT went back to pre 2011 and dropped their caps they would be the best ISP ever.

But what are your out the door costs[what you see on your bill] for that $25 dsl?

chgo_man99

join:2010-01-01
San Jose, CA
here is my similar situation for u-verse. I only pay $20 and its in combined billing but my first bill?

$36 for activation (although little my fault due to ordering over phone, I found online website waives fee).

$100 for modem (and still waiting after 4 weeks for $100 mail-in-rebate to recover on this fee)

1st prorated month of service $38 - unlike with credit card, u pay bill month in advance, so at start u get two. And haven't credited promotional rate for 1month which they said i would not see until I get 2nd or 3rd statement.

I pay regular average $70 a month for smartphone service, but with this all bullshit my next bill is over $240!

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Asked them via email to waive my activation fee, but a**holes refused, saying they would only credit my second wireless line under my company discount.

Despite all that easier to deal with than tethering through cell service with low caps when away on weekends. Cable and its prices would be overkill for stay only on weekends.

rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
reply to mod_wastrel
My parents live in BFE and all they can get is fixed wireless. They are in their 70s and asked me why e-mail jokes with links to YouTube videos don't play right. They said it stops and starts all the time and often it's so bad, they just close the video. I told them their connection was too slow.

Recently their ISP came out and upgraded their wireless equipment and now all the videos work. I don't know what speed they have but the days of claiming xxxx speed is good enough sounds just like Mr. Gates infamous 640K RAM comment.

One of the key aspects of why the iPad is wildly successful is because a local app is "fun" to use. It's so responsive to make screen taps and move through content.

If you have a fast connection, web sites can actually be fast enough to have new use cases.

Case in point, I used to loath clicking on MSNBC news links that opened the video player. It would sometimes take 30 seconds before the video started. As my ISP continues to increase speeds (18/3 now with PowerBoost and 30Mbps+ initial speeds), videos open relatively quickly. I can only imagine if I had a 100Mbps connection. The videos would probably start almost instantly and it would be more like flipping channels on a TV set.

Don't underestimate how even simple Internet use cases can benefit from very fast speeds.


mod_wastrel
iamwhatiam

join:2008-03-28
kudos:1
There are plenty of people who have zero interest in video or streaming anything. They only want something functional that doesn't make them wait an inordinate amount of time. The frequency of access might be as much as several times per month--so nothing to do with "entertainment" or "fun". A lot of people just don't care about that "online world". (I've been dialing up since the early '80s, using the "Internet" since the early/mid '90s (hard to remember exactly when--loads of ftp before http)... so I have some frame of reference here.) As much as I use my access, the rest of my family pretty much ignores everything online, except for my totally tech-clueless sister [whom I sometimes wish would]. The broadband ISPs pretty much ignore this group of people who just want infrequent but reliable access.
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mogamer

join:2011-04-20
Royal Oak, MI
reply to r81984
said by r81984:

said by mod_wastrel:

There are scores of people who'd be fine with 3000/768 speeds--they just don't need 50/20 or even 15/2 speeds. But can they get it for the price it's worth? Nope! And these days it's worth about $15/mo. [if that]. If the telcos won't invest, then they need to go for the "value" market and drop their prices. If they aren't going to compete on product, then they need to compete on price.

ATT has the cheapest prices.
I get 6 mbps for $25 a month, cable is twice the price.
Now if ATT went back to pre 2011 and dropped their caps they would be the best ISP ever.

Where I live (Detroit suburbs), ATT has roughly the same price tiers as Comcast, but each tier is at a lower speed. And U-Verse doesn't have anything close to the top speeds that Comcast offers. I'm lucky to have a cable overbuilder in the area (Wide Open West) who I use as my isp. I'm paying $10 per month less for 15/1 uncapped internet and phone compared to U-verse 6/1 internet and phone. I dropped ATT when they announced caps, and I've never looked back.

itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA
reply to rradina
said by rradina:

My parents live in BFE and all they can get is fixed wireless. They are in their 70s and asked me why e-mail jokes with links to YouTube videos don't play right. They said it stops and starts all the time and often it's so bad, they just close the video. I told them their connection was too slow.

Part of that is YouTube. I'm on 25/15 FIOS and when streaming HD videos I get the start/stop buffering BS. I tried watching a video last night and I had to buffer for 10 minutes so it would play smoothly. My line tests at close to what it's supposed to so I know it's not that.

ncbill
Premium
join:2007-01-23
Winston Salem, NC
Reviews:
·AT&T Southeast
reply to r81984
You are fortunate.

Here (city of over 200,000) the fastest DSL you can get from AT&T is 3 down, but most lines will only provision for 1.5 down.

Now, for $15/month that's fine, but if you want faster speeds you go with wireless or cable.

U-Verse is dead here.

The closest it ever came was 30 miles away, but even in that city (250,000+ population) AT&T had under 3,000 sign up for U-Verse over the 2 years it's been offered.

I doubt they ever bother to build out U-Verse there or in my city.

said by r81984 See Profile
ATT has the cheapest prices.
I get 6 mbps for $25 a month, cable is twice the price.
Now if ATT went back to pre 2011 and dropped their caps they would be the best ISP ever.
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rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
reply to mod_wastrel
And those folks are such a small minority that they will continue to be ignored. Perhaps that will change when the post office dies.

My thoughts are if 70+ year old farmers want faster speed, those that say they don't need faster speeds simply don't know, what they don't know. Those that claim to know and don't want faster speeds are in such small numbers that they are irrelevant.

rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
reply to itguy05
Sure, sometimes it's the source but they had a fixed wireless service that delivered 512/256 with lots of packet loss. While still far superior to dialup or satellite, it was pretty poor service.

The next time I visit it'll be interesting to see how fast the upgrades have made their service.

davidhoffman
Premium
join:2009-11-19
Warner Robins, GA
kudos:3
reply to DownTheShore
"But the web and its sites are no longer designed to minimize download times because the assumption now is that everyone has a fast process, plenty of RAM, and a fast internet connection.". It would be nice for website developers to forced to design sites for real world internet data rates and not the 100Mbps symmetrical test labs they use. If the site does not work with a 1Mbps symmetrical internet connection, you have to redesign it so it does work. Yes, Adobe Flash will be one of the first things to stop being used. And get rid of all the advertising analysis that goes on during page load. I bet the WWW would run a lot better with much more prudent website design.

tkdslr

join:2004-04-24
Pompano Beach, FL
Reviews:
·T-Mobile US
reply to ncbill
Consider yourself lucky..that you can't get Uverse, it's a nightmare of broken promises and over billing..

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