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Dodge
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Incoming price increase to all customers

in 3...2....1...


FFH5
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said by Dodge:

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No. Outsourcing to contractors will eliminate the Cablevision union jobs completely.

The union employees have only won a short term possible pay bump in trade for unemployment in the long term.

Network Guy
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Cablevision already outsources service installers. I suppose they will now also outsource techs.

I mean when it comes right down to it, the job of a cable tech is menial at best, and I work in the IT industry.


JRW2
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reply to FFH5
said by FFH5:

No. Outsourcing to contractors will eliminate the Cablevision union jobs completely.

Depending on how they write the contract, and if CV even goes to the bargaining table, they won't be able to do that..
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25139889

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CV probably won't even go to the table. They'll say screw it. Lock out the Unions at that point, hire a new non-union staff- contractors and be done with it.


JRW2
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said by 25139889:

CV probably won't even go to the table. They'll say screw it. Lock out the Unions at that point, hire a new non-union staff- contractors and be done with it.

While thay can do that, it won't be a cheap option because they could be fined by the NLRB...
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slckusr
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said by JRW2:

said by 25139889:

CV probably won't even go to the table. They'll say screw it. Lock out the Unions at that point, hire a new non-union staff- contractors and be done with it.

While thay can do that, it won't be a cheap option because they could be fined by the NLRB...

One big fine or a lifetime of getting bent over? hmmm


JRW2
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said by slckusr:

said by JRW2:

said by 25139889:

CV probably won't even go to the table. They'll say screw it. Lock out the Unions at that point, hire a new non-union staff- contractors and be done with it.

While thay can do that, it won't be a cheap option because they could be fined by the NLRB...

One big fine or a lifetime of getting bent over? hmmm

While some may consider it that, not everyone does..

Are you familiar with this company?
»www.usa.philips.com/

As far as I know, they have had two strikes in the last 40 years, one when the employees first organised, lasted several months, and once during the 80's, ended in three days, with the manager who let them strike being fired...

Why, the company made too much money off the workers to allow them to strike for even one day...
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bliss

@centurytel.net
reply to Dodge
in 3.....2.......1.......price increases coming regardless.


datguy11

@verizon.net
reply to Network Guy
Network Guy,

I can say the same insulting things about people in the "IT industry"

Like the "IT guy" who came to "help" me on an installation job and watched me do all the work b/c he didnt know sh*t, but yet got the credit for making sure it was done "right"

or the IT guy in charge of the "telecom" department who "checked" the line at the dmarc and said it was an "outside" problem... Problem is he didnt know how to troubleshoot a simple short circuit and the problem was on HIS end, and with all his degrees and certificates couldnt grasp the simple, menial idea of how a short circuit affects a service.

My opinion of IT people is quite low when they think they know my industry, b/c I have yet to meet an IT person who could troubleshoot any telco/cable service

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
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reply to Dodge
said by Dodge:

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If they could increase prices they would have already done so. You think they're just leaving money on the table in case something goes badly? That's idiotic.

Dodge
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said by sonicmerlin:

said by Dodge:

in 3...2....1...

If they could increase prices they would have already done so. You think they're just leaving money on the table in case something goes badly? That's idiotic.

No one is leaving money on the table, however if they have an excuse to raise prices, they will and do a PR campaign blaming the union.


CableTool
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reply to FFH5
said by FFH5:

said by Dodge:

in 3...2....1...

The union employees have only won a short term possible pay bump in trade for unemployment in the long term.

Who said they were going to get a bump in pay? People always speak of Unions and highly paid employees in the same breath. I dont see Cablevision, being a largely Non-Union MSO, agreeing to a contract that pays Union Employees more.

Remember, there is a bargaining process to be started.. and the worst case scenario of two sides not agreeing to something? Contract out the work while the employees sit home and earn nothing.

There are no short or long term benefits this late in the game.

What I do see? A bunch of hungry contractors eyeing Brooklyn as their next home.
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vztech

@optonline.net
reply to datguy11
I totally agree!!! A lot of these IT people are forced to be the telecom tech also. They think they know everything under the sun , but when they are proven wrong and that the trouble is to the customers equipment, then this is what you hear ," Are you going to charge us????" in my mind if your pleasant to me , probably not, but if your an asshole, then of course i'm going to bill you


fine

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reply to 25139889
CV would get hit with all sorts of labor charges

reply to Network Guy
said by Network Guy:

Cablevision already outsources service installers. I suppose they will now also outsource techs.

I mean when it comes right down to it, the job of a cable tech is menial at best, and I work in the IT industry.

Haven't met an "IT" guy yet that can back up his so called credentials. I have met a dozen or so self proclaimed "IT" guys over the years that really worked for the Geek Squad and were total idiots. IT is such a vast term that anyone who can set up a router calls themselves an IT expert nowadays. Hell, if they can set up a DMZ host or port forward they REALLY know their shit! Lol. What a joke. Know your place in the food chain because I know there are tens of thousands of IT people like yourself making $11 per hour at a help desk getting the CEO's secretary who makes 3x your pay rate logged back into her computer. Talk about an entry level position.

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Umm.. Okay.. Guess I struck a nerve and my comment was perhaps uncalled for. It's been my experience that beyond running and crimping coax, setting up STBs and calling "home" to activate, that's just about the full scope of work I've witnessed cable guys do. Trust me, I've had people tell me all I do is sit here all day long and do absolutely nothing.

Not many realize this but a good IT guy is usually the one employee that everyone hardly calls. The "IT" guy who talks the most shit is usually not worth his weight on paper. And yes, there are many of us "IT" guys out there who are like this. Sorry you've had to contend with them.

Personally, I run a small home care agency where I am. I'm paid much more than $11/hr, and I'm usually the go-to guy for the same dumbass questions regarding the system day in and day out. What I don't get called on at all is about a server or network down situation, and that to me personally signifies a well-run shop.


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said by Network Guy:

What I don't get called on at all is about a server or network down situation, and that to me personally signifies a well-run shop.

How many "management" types don't grasp this concept.
They think if you are NOT running around like an idiot, you are not doing your job...
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Network Guy
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Fortunately where I am they don't have a choice but to understand that. It's one of the few perks of being a one-man IT shop.