| SMARTnet If I purchase SMARTnet for my 3750 switch, do I get access to all downloads or just ones for that switch? |
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| you can access them but you would sign and agree that anything you download, you have contract support for... |
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 carpRejected
join:2002-10-30 | reply to CCSomething
You'll get a warning that CISCO didn't find any products in your Smartnet covered devices that allow you to legally download the image. |
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| Ok. Thanks guys! |
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 PaulgDisplaced YooperPremium
join:2004-03-15
Neenah, WI
kudos:1
 ·AT&T U-Verse
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said by Da Geek Kid:you can access them but you would sign and agree that anything you download, you have contract support for...
That's not true anymore. They started locking down the downloads about 2 months ago. Some things still work that way, but the majority of things have been locked out unless you have a contract for that product associated with your CCO. |
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nosx
join:2004-12-27
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kudos:5 | Werent 3750s were supposed to be limited lifetime support, meaning free software upgrades forever. |
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| lol
"limited lifetime" I read that as SMARTnet. |
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bigsy
join:2001-07-18
UK
kudos:1 | 'Registered guest' access, without an associated SMARTnet contract, still seems to give access to IOS downloads for various switch models without the lock sign that is now present for other hardware. |
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mbruno
join:2003-07-03
Fruitland, MD | reply to Paulg
said by Paulg:said by Da Geek Kid:you can access them but you would sign and agree that anything you download, you have contract support for...
That's not true anymore. They started locking down the downloads about 2 months ago. Some things still work that way, but the majority of things have been locked out unless you have a contract for that product associated with your CCO. It seems that they locked down the router IOS and not the switches. I have a Cisco contract with my 1921 router ( I believe that is the model I have). I can download the switch stuff but none of the router stuff. This really sucks! I love it when you are trying to study for an exam and you need a certain level of IOS on the device and Cisco does this crap. It would be different if they offered a version not for retail or something to that affect. How are people gong to really learn their products and pass the test if Cisco doesn't give the student a way study with the version they need.
This is typical of a profit driven business. I understand that they are trying to make a profit but Damn, don't choke off your money supply (the learning student). This makes me wonder what Cisco is doing next? Hell even Juniper has a free JunOS software you can use. |
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aryobaPremium,MVM
join:2002-08-22
kudos:1 | said by mbruno:said by Paulg:said by Da Geek Kid:you can access them but you would sign and agree that anything you download, you have contract support for...
That's not true anymore. They started locking down the downloads about 2 months ago. Some things still work that way, but the majority of things have been locked out unless you have a contract for that product associated with your CCO. It seems that they locked down the router IOS and not the switches. I have a Cisco contract with my 1921 router ( I believe that is the model I have). I can download the switch stuff but none of the router stuff. This really sucks! I love it when you are trying to study for an exam and you need a certain level of IOS on the device and Cisco does this crap. It would be different if they offered a version not for retail or something to that affect. How are people gong to really learn their products and pass the test if Cisco doesn't give the student a way study with the version they need. Since new line of Cisco routers come with Universal IOS code, you can no longer download any random IOS code. If you want the Enterprise or Advanced features that is outside the Base code support, you have to update your contract (read: pay extra) so that you will get a key to unlock the feature you need. A nice thing is that Cisco lets you to try the feature for certain period before committing to buy or to keep for long term.
said by mbruno:This is typical of a profit driven business. I understand that they are trying to make a profit but Damn, don't choke off your money supply (the learning student). This makes me wonder what Cisco is doing next? Hell even Juniper has a free JunOS software you can use.
Cisco Smartnet contract costs have been rising and have been driving certain organizations to migrate to Juniper. Those that run heavy EIGRP may never migrate to non-Cisco, although they may have Juniper running static routes or BGP to avoid EIGRP-to-OSPF migration. |
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nosx
join:2004-12-27
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kudos:5 | Thats not really true anymore aryoba, the universal IOS are now shipping with a 30 year temporary key for feature packs (voice/data/security). The whole IOS licensing scheme failed pretty spectacularly. |
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aryobaPremium,MVM
join:2002-08-22
kudos:1 | I guess Cisco now is trying to compete with Juniper where you only need a universal code for platform with wide support range. As comparison, you can have a little Juniper SRX 100 firewall to run not only OSPF and firewall stuff; but also virtualization, BGP, VRF, and Layer-2 VPN without special code key activation. Cisco ASA 5505 might not be able to support those but Cisco 819 might  |
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| The saddest thing about Cisco is that if you ask them about a high performance Firewall they talk about ASR! what a joke... |
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nosx
join:2004-12-27
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kudos:5 | It depends what u want to do. The ASR1k or ASA5585 will do the 10+gbps end of connectivity... The higher end GSR multiservice blades can do highly virtualized beefy firewall stuff... The real cream on top of the cake is the fact that you can distribute the firewall like functionality for network policy enforcement to every switching and routing device in the platform with security group tags. |
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cramer
join:2007-04-10
Raleigh, NC
kudos:5 Reviews:
 ·AT&T Southeast
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said by mbruno:don't choke off your money supply (the learning student) Heh. Students are not where Cisco makes their money. The testing centers, boot camps, book writers, etc. are the one's making money on students. In the end, if you want to learn to manage Cisco toys, you need the actual toys. Sadly, there's next to no on the job learning in today's market; if you don't have a box of certificates, you don't even get an interview. |
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mbruno
join:2003-07-03
Fruitland, MD | said by cramer:said by mbruno:don't choke off your money supply (the learning student) Heh. Students are not where Cisco makes their money. The testing centers, boot camps, book writers, etc. are the one's making money on students. In the end, if you want to learn to manage Cisco toys, you need the actual toys. Sadly, there's next to no on the job learning in today's market; if you don't have a box of certificates, you don't even get an interview. This kind of stuff makes it really tough to get into networking. Not everybody is lucky enough to fall into a networking job, some of us have to work other stuff like being a Sys. Admin and then hope we can jump over to the Network side of things after we jump through the hoops, which by the way is not guaranteed.
Cramer I do agree with you about the money thing. What I meant was without the student, there would be no book writers or boot camps for Cisco to make the kind of money they do. In some ways, I am glad Juniper is given Cisco a run for their money. Don't misunderstand me, I like learning about Cisco but they need to quit being greedy to the little guy.
Sooner or later Cisco will catch on that they need to be more competitive to complete with Juniper or Juniper will eat their lunch. I can say for sure where I work that the management is starting to phase out the Cisco equipment and replace them with Juniper products. I ask one of the Network Engineers why are we move vendors and was told Management saw how much less expensive using Juniper Equipment was compared to Cisco.
I was also told that Cisco will not budge from their price when they told this to the Cisco rep what they were going to do if they didn't lower the price. My guess is that the Cisco Rep. didn't believe we would move to Juniper. So I guess it was a game of chicken and Cisco lost the game. |
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nosx
join:2004-12-27
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kudos:5 | actually, i think cisco has quite a bit more to learn from microsofts business practices than juniper, especially with regard to students and small businesses. |
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The Virtualization is a NON ASIC solution and hence, pfsense, sidewinder business... ASA cannot do Routing/MPLS so the only product is ASR ans as aryoba  stated Juniper would be an example where one box would be used... |
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aryobaPremium,MVM
join:2002-08-22
kudos:1 | reply to mbruno
said by mbruno:said by cramer:said by mbruno:don't choke off your money supply (the learning student) Heh. Students are not where Cisco makes their money. The testing centers, boot camps, book writers, etc. are the one's making money on students. In the end, if you want to learn to manage Cisco toys, you need the actual toys. Sadly, there's next to no on the job learning in today's market; if you don't have a box of certificates, you don't even get an interview. This kind of stuff makes it really tough to get into networking. Not everybody is lucky enough to fall into a networking job, some of us have to work other stuff like being a Sys. Admin and then hope we can jump over to the Network side of things after we jump through the hoops, which by the way is not guaranteed. I don't think Cisco's current business practice is a show stopper for those who wish to learn networking. Plenty cheap Cisco gears equipped with IOS code are still around. If your intention is to learn networking, those cheap gears should get you to know enough about basic internetworking. With addition to some Cisco CCNA book and study test, you should be able to pass one-exam CCNA first time. |
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carpRejected
join:2002-10-30 | reply to CCSomething
Learn Networking, not syntax! |
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