 jed
join:2001-07-06
Alberta, Can | reply to Bandito
Re: Telus is notifying you if you download prohibited content How do these claims fit into our levy on cd's that essentially says, you're going to download so we'll charge you a "tax" on the cds for doing that. |
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 JammerMan79Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC
kudos:10 | reply to Mister M
Re: letter in the mail from telus if you download illegally sorry... wrote that when I was tired.
should have read:
Because regardless of whether it's a valid complaint (or not)...
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JammerMan79Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC
kudos:10 | reply to Bandito
ugh... this is how file sharing works (ish)...
you search for a file and click download using whatever program you're using.
you start download from the MPIA or the RIAA pretending to be "joe bob"
They write down your IP address which you have shown them by connecting to their computer and starting the download...
"Joe bob", due to his extremly poor geographical knowledge, and thinking that Canada is part of the US types your IP address in to a "Who-Is" search and finds out it's registered to TELUS
"joe bob" e-mails TELUS' abuse dept (on the who-is search) and says that IP address "whatever" has downloaded an infringing file and requests that persons name from TELUS
TELUS, respecting your privacy (and the law) says "no, we won't release our customers information but we'll pass the message on"
does that make sense?
TELUS does NOT track what you do on the internet
TELUS does not release your personal information without a court order.
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Re: Telus is notifying you if you download prohibited content Now that's a very good question. It seems that big content wants to suck and blow at the same time. What a surprise! |
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NWOhio
join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH | reply to JammerMan79
Re: letter in the mail from telus if you download illegally just because the US has a DMCA law doesn't mean it can not be enforced in Canada. The media is protected by international law just not US law.
They can sue you in Canada if they wanted to. The same as any other company does. |
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said by JammerMan79:does that make sense?
TELUS does NOT track what you do on the internet
TELUS does not release your personal information without a court order.
yeah, it does....as far as your explanation though. however, are you 100% certain the example you have given is the only way you get the email? I find it hard to believe that the only way you can get that email is by someone is reporting you. But, do correct me if I am wrong  |
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JammerMan79Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC
kudos:10 | that's the only way TELUS would receive it to pass it on |
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said by Bandito:said by JammerMan79:does that make sense?
TELUS does NOT track what you do on the internet
TELUS does not release your personal information without a court order.
yeah, it does....as far as your explanation though. however, are you 100% certain the example you have given is the only way you get the email? I find it hard to believe that the only way you can get that email is by someone is reporting you. But, do correct me if I am wrong It's more like the RIAA/MPAA are seeking you out. They go onto torrents (or other p2p programs) with the intent to grab IP addresses. With P2P software you automatically start to connect to everyone downloading/sharing that file. Torrents aren't stealthy at all. You can see everyone connected to torrent. So the MPAA hops on, takes a list of all the IP address that are downloading/uploading the file.
It's not that joe blow is reporting you. It's that the MPAA is actively looking for infringers (or contracting out companies to actively look for infringers).
They'res a reason all the lawsuits for infringement in the US came from P2P programs (and not things like usenet). With P2P technology, its extremely easy for the RIAA/MPAA to see who is infringing on their copyrights. |
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Re: letter in the mail from telus if you download illegally What about app add-ons like Peer Block? I know many people swear by them but of course, if the RIAA/MPAA user's puter is setup as just one person he can then record everyone's IP address either manually or with an other app, I would imagine? |
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| HA peer guardian wont work. Think about it for a min , if a program is claiming to block an IP from someone who is trying to get your IP then that person already has your ip. If you insist on believing that program or any others like it will work then I got a bridge to sell you. |
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JammerMan79Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC
kudos:10 | explain again why it wouldn't work?
In order for it to be an infraction they have to either send or receive a part of the file... a file with a similar name would not be an infraction... if the connection is refused before the transfer occurs, no infraction
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| I consider it a service that Telus notifies you.
But you should be aware that copyright holders aren't particularly scientific in their procedures. Perfect example - when I was with Telus I had no Wireless, so my network was pretty locked down. Despite that, I received those notices for 1) Torrents I never downloaded, 2) Torrents I added to uTorrent, but never downloaded, and 3) Torrents I did download.
That led me to the conclusion they're pretty much just blasting them out to IPs at random. Oh, this guy must be a pirate, lets send another notice for some movie or random crap that he never downloaded. He can't prove otherwise.  (Except in my case I NEVER download movies, so whenever I received one of those I knew it was complete balony.)
Anyway, it's good that Telus doesn't reveal any personal information. Like all systems in place to protect copyright holders' rights, they will be abused. Aren't something like 50-60% of DMCA takedown notices completely invalid/unjustified?  Big businesses are just as crooked as pirates - probably more crooked, actually, since they have money incentives and don't give a shit about your rights. |
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Re: Telus is notifying you if you download prohibited content well, I got one of those notices...it even stated the name of the movie, and yes, I had that movie on my hard drive. |
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Re: letter in the mail from telus if you download illegally said by BikeHelmet:But you should be aware that copyright holders aren't particularly scientific in their procedures. Perfect example - when I was with Telus I had no Wireless, so my network was pretty locked down. Despite that, I received those notices for 1) Torrents I never downloaded, 2) Torrents I added to uTorrent, but never downloaded, and 3) Torrents I did download.
That led me to the conclusion they're pretty much just blasting them out to IPs at random. Oh, this guy must be a pirate, lets send another notice for some movie or random crap that he never downloaded. He can't prove otherwise. (Except in my case I NEVER download movies, so whenever I received one of those I knew it was complete balony.) Most content owners don't send the notice to people for downloading something, they send it to people who share something. When you share a file, by torrent for example, the content owners can see your IP address and see you sharing that file. Its easier and more lucrative to sue people for uploading than for downloading.
Lets pretend I represent the owners of Transformers. All I have to do is start downloading a torrent of Transformers and I can see all the other IP addresses that are uploading the torrent. I then lookup the ISPs associated with those IPs and send notices to the ISPs.
This is why I prefer newsgroups. Not only are they super fast, reliable and free of viruses, but they also don't require any uploading which means no content owners can see what I may or may not be downloading. |
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| said by tudorwise :said by BikeHelmet:But you should be aware that copyright holders aren't particularly scientific in their procedures. Perfect example - when I was with Telus I had no Wireless, so my network was pretty locked down. Despite that, I received those notices for 1) Torrents I never downloaded, 2) Torrents I added to uTorrent, but never downloaded, and 3) Torrents I did download.
That led me to the conclusion they're pretty much just blasting them out to IPs at random. Oh, this guy must be a pirate, lets send another notice for some movie or random crap that he never downloaded. He can't prove otherwise. (Except in my case I NEVER download movies, so whenever I received one of those I knew it was complete balony.) Most content owners don't send the notice to people for downloading something, they send it to people who share something. When you share a file, by torrent for example, the content owners can see your IP address and see you sharing that file. Its easier and more lucrative to sue people for uploading than for downloading. Lets pretend I represent the owners of Transformers. All I have to do is start downloading a torrent of Transformers and I can see all the other IP addresses that are uploading the torrent. I then lookup the ISPs associated with those IPs and send notices to the ISPs. This is why I prefer newsgroups. Not only are they super fast, reliable and free of viruses, but they also don't require any uploading which means no content owners can see what I may or may not be downloading. I completely agree, but I think they go after you for both downloading and sharing. So far they can only bust people who use p2p services like torrents or limewire. If you're using torrents, you're both uploading and downloading. Uploading (sharing) has harsher punishments, but I think they just go after you for both, because they may as well?  |
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