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Re: Why do people not care about their privacy anymore? said by Nightfall:From your original post....
Sounds belittling to me.
It's not belittlement when it is true. Sorry for the confusion. |
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| said by noprivacy :said by Nightfall:From your original post....
Sounds belittling to me.
It's not belittlement when it is true. Sorry for the confusion. Thanks for reaffirming things for everyone here. Nice dodge attempt but it didn't work.
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Shame on you. I am surprised and have lost the respect for you that I had until now (although we disagreed a lot), but what you stooped to just now....
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said by OZO:At least she cares about privacy and doesn't brag, that she has nothing to hide, like some do...
Everyone has crap to hide. Your SSN, your credit card numbers, your medical records, etc. There's just a substantial difference between agreeing to let Google know what books you like or the movies you want to see, and disclosing your medical record to the world via Twitter. Getting up in arms every time someone chooses to share something over the internet is counter-productive for privacy advocates. When a time comes that personal privacy is legitimately under fire, people will just assume it's yet-another-sensationalist false alarm. |
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Oh people care about privacy, but in many cases each person has their own definition of what privacy is, and what privacy issues are important to them.
FB, G+, Twitter, etc is no different then an electronic telephone book IMO...thats pretty much what is is.
There are folks who take things waaaaaaay too far (not mentioning names, folks know who they are)
Does a person have more or less privacy if they are or are not in a phone book? yes and no.
Social Media sites offer the same "unlisted" service as phone books do...by not signing up for them...pretty simple.
however, keeping a private profile, only friending folks you know, keeping co-workers off your friends lists, then social media is fine.
really the user is in control of how much data is shown to the public.
Advertisers and marketers have been data mining the net forever...its nothing new...and its really not a big.
as i said before, this discussion just depends on what your definition of privacy is and what parts of that are important to you. |
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Posting a jokey reply is 'stooping' to something? |
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said by Mele20:Geez. I already don't communicate with anyone using GMail (haven't from the beginning). Because it is not always obvious someone is using GMail, I have almost stopped using email except for newsletters, listservs, forum registrations. Now I have to avoid android phone users. Lovely. I already use my phone (a landline) FAR less than even a few years ago. I guess it will be even less now.
In a way, it is all good because it forces us to turn to our physical neighbors and reinforces the coming together of small, local neighborhod groups whose goal is independence from imported food, oil, etc. So, in the long run what Google, Facebook, etc. are doing may boomerang on them as folks detach from screens and rediscover the joys and strengths of face to face communication and working side by side in community gardens, the death of money and credit cards, with simple exchanges for something I want that you have for something I have that you need taking their place. (Two more communities of this type have recently started here).
Wow...this doesn't make much sense. Just because someone uses gmail all of a sudden they can track your every move? really?
Android phones users are all bad now too?
it sounds like to me you just need to unplug your phone and computer....its the only way your ever going to get that "so called privacy" you talking about (which sounds much more like paranoia to me)
these communities your talking about have been around for a long time....there called The Amish....look it up...
if you want to isolate yourself from the world, thats fine...but trying to speak in a manner that comes off as "looking down on others" or "im smarter then you because of" type of attitide is not going to get you many friends to your cause.
this is not an insult towards you, i am just trying to speak to you on rational logical ground...
an honest question Mele20, why do you feel that every company(Google, etc) and such are out to spy on you or get you? why do you feel this way? |
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said by dave:Posting a jokey reply is 'stooping' to something?
Google is now tracking your jokes. |
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said by Thaler:Everyone has crap to hide. Your SSN, your credit card numbers, your medical records, etc. There's just a substantial difference between agreeing to let Google know what books you like or the movies you want to see, and disclosing your medical record to the world via Twitter. So, you do see the line between what is acceptable and what isn't for you. But do you think that Google shares your concerns and respects your opinion on that?
You've mentioned that it's not acceptable and you're against "disclosing your medical record to the world". But what can you do in case, if you have placed an order for a drug and got confirmation mail on your GMail account? You can't prevent that, it's done automatically. Will Google make an exception, respecting your privacy or it will just put the data into their data bases and share it with other services (according to the new Google's privacy policy)? I think it's no brainier, that the answer is - it's the latter case. Note, you're the person who has concerns about that and, therefore, never disclose such information in public (no Internet chatting, to twitting, etc.). Nevertheless, it happens, just because of the general acceptance of a new privacy order, that becomes the reality, because many don't see any danger here...
There is a big difference, when your doctor, who knows everything about your health problem, doesn't know about you finances, or your bank, from the other side, doesn't know about your medical problems, and when those services start to share information. That's what the new privacy policy in Google is aimed at - they start sharing/linking data between all its services. The wise thing to do is to see and try to prevent that before it happening. The dumb thing to do is to call it a paranoia.
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Re: Yeah, it's amazing what some people will post about their personal lives online. BTW, how's the family in Connecticut? »bit.ly/AjsOX2 Still there?
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Re: Why do people not care about their privacy anymore? said by OZO:said by Thaler:Everyone has crap to hide. Your SSN, your credit card numbers, your medical records, etc. There's just a substantial difference between agreeing to let Google know what books you like or the movies you want to see, and disclosing your medical record to the world via Twitter. So, you do see the line between what is acceptable and what isn't for you. But do you think that Google shares your concerns and respects your opinion on that? You've mentioned that it's not acceptable and you're against " disclosing your medical record to the world". But what can you do in case, if you have placed an order for a drug and got confirmation mail on your GMail account? You can't prevent that, it's done automatically. Will Google make an exception, respecting your privacy or it will just put the data into their data bases and share it with other services (according to the new Google's privacy policy)? I think it's no brainier, that the answer is - it's the latter case. Note, you're the person who has concerns about that and, therefore, never disclose such information in public (no Internet chatting, to twitting, etc.). Nevertheless, it happens, just because of the general acceptance of a new privacy order, that becomes the reality, because many don't see any danger here... There is a big difference, when your doctor, who knows everything about your health problem, doesn't know about you finances, or your bank, from the other side, doesn't know about your medical problems, and when those services start to share information. That's what the new privacy policy in Google is aimed at - they start sharing/linking data between all its services. The wise thing to do is to see and try to prevent that before it happening. The dumb thing to do is to call it a paranoia. There's a big flaw with your entire analogy. How did the pharmacy get the email account to send the confirmation from? If you are concerned about Google sharing the information, you simply use an alternate email address with a more acceptable privacy policy.
The information is going to get there only if you choose to, regardless of Google or any one else's privacy policy changes.
Considering Google's services are mostly co-related, it's a big leap to go from the changes they are attempting (which might fail from backlash) to having a doctor being able to check your bank account before providing services or a bank using your medical history to make a lending decision. |
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said by OZO:So, you do see the line between what is acceptable and what isn't for you. But do you think that Google shares your concerns and respects your opinion on that?
So far, Google hasn't been racking up the charges on my credit cards, nor calling my doctors for patient records. I haven't heard of Google playing doctor or going on spending sprees with other people either.
It's a lovely hypothetical of a Google gone mad that reads each and every individual user's email inboxes. I just have a lot of business to do in the real world - I don't have time to prepare for every imaginary hypothetical under the sun. Maybe when things step up, and the number of these cases increase from...uh, zero, I'll give it some actual thought.
Otherwise, if I were to act on every hypothetical threat, then I'd be busy trying to Godzilla-proof my home right now. |
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said by Woody79_00:... it sounds like to me you just need to unplug your phone and computer....its the only way your ever going to get that "so called privacy" you talking about (which sounds much more like paranoia to me)
these communities your talking about have been around for a long time....there called The Amish....look it up...
if you want to isolate yourself from the world, thats fine... What the Amish do, they do for religious reasons, not for "privacy protection". They believe they should avoid anything that focuses on vanity or that locks them into a "worldly" system that might divide their loyalty to God. Having been through generations of genuine persecution in many lands for such beliefs, they know clearly what they believe and why - and it hardly falls into the category of merely 'protecting their privacy.' We "English" may not necessarily agree with their point of view or all they practice, but we should at least come to correctly understand and respect why they do it.
Mele20 can certainly answer for herself, but I see nowhere that she has set out to intentionally "isolate herself from the world". IMHO, she is merely attempting to isolate herself from those certain parts of the world that she sees as invasive to her privacy (personal privacy being important to her). Others may not always see eye to eye with her on the invasiveness of those parts or the importance of such privacy, but no two of us see most things exactly the same way.
The thread title is "Why do people not care about their privacy anymore?". Mele20 is someone who does care, perhaps more than many others. There are some in this thread who don't care. Fine! And it's always insightful to hear people's reasons for their viewpoints. But the problem is that the question was originally asked from a strongly-worded personal point of view that privacy should/does matter and that those who don't care about privacy are dumb or nuts. That set in motion a confrontational thread participation process rather than an informational one for participants in the topic. That is, folks seem to have been compelled to defend their own point of view and to attack the others, rather than merely explain it.
Personally, I believe an explanatory path is the better way to travel here...
edit: typo
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| Gee, you people are really sensitive. My apology for using the words dumb and nuts, I didn't mean that they are dumb or nuts, just that their actions are. I also should have clarified that the info they provide are DETAILS about their lives, not trivial status updates. |
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said by mod_wastrel:It baffles me why anyone would care what others choose to do with their own time, their own lives, etc.
It is because what others do, at least collectively, will affect that someone.
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said by noprivacy :Gee, you people are really sensitive. My apology for using the words dumb and nuts, I didn't mean that they are dumb or nuts, just that their actions are. I also should have clarified that the info they provide are DETAILS about their lives, not trivial status updates.
Actually, you can man up and say that you meant what you said. There are many others who believe the same as you do. People who put status updates out there are crazy or stupid according to some people. My advice to you and others who feel this way is to not draw that conclusion.
This whole discussion on "privacy" is a lot like "religion". Just know that others have different opinions on privacy. Just because they believe differently doesn't make them wrong.
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Stuff the word privacy for a minute and realize that in order to get your head around where data collection on individuals and using it to better understand that individual is heading.
If you buy into most of the FUD that it "dosen't matter" and just use whats at you disposal to convince others of such then go ahead and anwser the following.
Can any harm come from singling people out as different and having different needs from others?...........This is exactly what those collecting it have a vested interest in to start with.
Most of the control on it's use/collection comes from SELF-REGULATION and can easily be tailored to incorporate any form of data........Might be easy to surrender your care for this UP-FRONT but till it bites you finnacially and socially (degree yet to be determined) you can go on blindly trusting these corporations to subtly build more control around your activities and erode your gumption to realize what exactly they are building for you in exchange and RULE-OUT keeping it under scrutiny by regulary ridiculing those wanting investigate, educate or keep up with where it's going.
Privacy is a broad term that usually when disscussed here relates to many topics but i think the focus in this thread points mostley to "Lack there of" on the internet nowdays.
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