| Mobile operators are losing their grip on the tablet market Good. Since I use my tablet as an e-reader, ephemeris, sky atlas, and nature guide, and mostly at home with wifi, I don't need my carrier sticking his nose in with 3 or 4G. I've got a phone.
One of my wifi only tablets got listed on Market as a TMobile device. So I also had to deal with probable carrier rules. |
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| Something's got to give with carriers trying to charge a separate fee for every device. Portable hotspot/tethering should do the trick, but I shouldn't have to pay 2x the price for the luxury of using the same data on a different screen.
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kudos:4 | said by djrobx:Something's got to give with carriers trying to charge a separate fee for every device. Portable hotspot/tethering should do the trick, but I shouldn't have to pay 2x the price for the luxury of using the same data on a different screen.
I agree. But looking at it from the carrier's point of view, the data on the larger screen isn't the same. It is usually larger amounts of data for each transaction and puts more load on individual tower's wireless bandwidth capacity(not the wired backhaul). Meaning, they will have to upgrade their base stations sooner and at greater cost. Greater cost means higher charges.
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| The size of the screen does not affect the amounts of data transferred. |
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kudos:4 | said by DataRiker:The size of the screen does not affect the amounts of data transferred.
Sure it does. Most smartphone browsers are biased to choose mobile web pages instead of the std desktop pages. Tablet's like the ipad and laptops are defaulted to desktop versions of web pages. The web pages formatted for mobile use have much less data. |
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3 edits | My android is set to display full webpages.
Just verified, so in my case the size of the screen doesn't affect the data usage. |
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said by carpetshark3:Good. Since I use my tablet as an e-reader, ephemeris, sky atlas, and nature guide, and mostly at home with wifi, I don't need my carrier sticking his nose in with 3 or 4G. I've got a phone.
One of my wifi only tablets got listed on Market as a TMobile device. So I also had to deal with probable carrier rules.
Has it occurred to you smartphones use exactly the same hardware as tablets, but retail for three times the price? Actually tablets have significantly larger (and hence much more expensive) screens and batteries, so they cost more to produce.
Yet a dual-core Android tablet is priced at $200 (Kindle Fire), and Asus is planning to release a Tegra 3 tablet for $250 very soon. An equivalent dual-core phone with the exact same ARM SoC and LPDDR3 RAM costs three times the Kindle Fire.
This is the real reason consumers are buying tablets. Competition drove prices down from $500 (and $600 in some cases) to $200 (even less if you buy a cheap China tablet). The smartphone market on the other hand is entirely collusive, and prices remain sky-high for even low-end smartphones. |
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kudos:2 | The Kindle Fire is a loss leader for Amazon, so that's not exactly a fair conclusion to draw. |
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said by DataRiker:The size of the screen does not affect the amounts of data transferred.
blackberry data goes through their servers which compresses the data. Significantly less data gets transfered between BB's and the net than say an iphone. |
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that's the worst logic i've ever heard. just because tablets are bigger doesn't mean they cost more to produce. Getting the same power into a smaller package costs more. Did you know it costs significantly more to produce a 22in Tv than it does to produce a 32"....
in a similar fashion, a laptop is much more expensive than a desktop with the same specs. |
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And that 250 dollar tablet is 7in, not 10in. |
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said by Romney2012:said by djrobx:Something's got to give with carriers trying to charge a separate fee for every device. Portable hotspot/tethering should do the trick, but I shouldn't have to pay 2x the price for the luxury of using the same data on a different screen.
I agree. But looking at it from the carrier's point of view, the data on the larger screen isn't the same. It is usually larger amounts of data for each transaction and puts more load on individual tower's wireless bandwidth capacity(not the wired backhaul). Meaning, they will have to upgrade their base stations sooner and at greater cost. Greater cost means higher charges. Well, with Verizon and AT&T, you're still sitting under the same cap. They SHOULDN'T care if you use 2GB of iPhone data or 2GB of tablet data. And if they're saying 99% wouldn't use 2GB with their phone, then adjust the cap for everyone. |
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said by Romney2012:said by djrobx:Something's got to give with carriers trying to charge a separate fee for every device. Portable hotspot/tethering should do the trick, but I shouldn't have to pay 2x the price for the luxury of using the same data on a different screen.
I agree. But looking at it from the carrier's point of view, the data on the larger screen isn't the same. It is usually larger amounts of data for each transaction and puts more load on individual tower's wireless bandwidth capacity(not the wired backhaul). Meaning, they will have to upgrade their base stations sooner and at greater cost. Greater cost means higher charges. They still could price those separate data plans little less for existing customers than make them pay full price. In similar analogy, I understand everybody would want only 1 internet plan for both home broadband and smartphone but it is virtually impossible. Single product, but dual type of access (wired & wireless).
Here we have single product, single type of access but slightly dual type of use. Is it more expensive than my first scenario? When you use tablet instead of smartphone.
Btw, when I roam internationally why suddenly 2GB worth of $25, becomes 50Mb? Why overage is $1 for each Mb? Carriers live in dream world. |
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said by prairiesky:that's the worst logic i've ever heard. just because tablets are bigger doesn't mean they cost more to produce. Getting the same power into a smaller package costs more. Did you know it costs significantly more to produce a 22in Tv than it does to produce a 32"....
in a similar fashion, a laptop is much more expensive than a desktop with the same specs.
*facepalm* First of all, 32" TVs cost more than 22" ones. Not sure what store catalog you're ogling. Secondly, laptops use different hardware than desktops, and are engineered for mobility and low-power usage.
Smartphones and tablets OTOH use the exact same hardware. The iPhone 4S uses the exact same A5 chip as the iPad 2, with slight customizations to lower clock speed. Otherwise the benchmarks come out exactly the same.
The cost of a multitouch screen increases exponentially the larger its size. 10" screens are far, *far* more expensive than 4" ones. |
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