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Re: Google to Mandate User Tracking - No Opt Out I use a loyalty card - but I costed out all chains with a card, and the one I use is quite a bit less expensive. If I find a cheaper one, I'll switch.
With ads - what's Google going to do about Amazon? Google can compete in some areas, but I can't buy tool accessories or kitchen gadgets from Google. If I use a friend's computer, and that friend doesn't use Google in any form, how can they track? I have other email accounts besides Gmail.
I'm sorta stuck since I have an Android phone. For some apps, my only other choice would be Apple. Unless I can get my hands on a Nokia N900 locally. I could run my Palm apps. If you use Blackberry, Apple, Symbian or Windows, you can't use Market. Sign out of Gmail.
There won't be any services on the phone.
I'm more concerned about the renewal of the jailbreaking permission. It's due for a vote again. I don't want Google telling me I have to unroot my phone. They can't track location on mine except by cell tower. I've frozen Maps, Telnav, and Latitude. | | |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | If amazon sends a purchase confirmation to your Gmail account, theoretically, it has been scanned and analyzed in order to send you more relevant ads.
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OZOPremium
join:2003-01-17
kudos:2 | said by AVD:If amazon sends a purchase confirmation to your Gmail account, theoretically, it has been scanned and analyzed in order to send you more relevant ads.
And that's exactly what happens. It's not theoretical. Google reads (and collects data from) all your mails. Amazon (and others online stores) sends you mail detailing when and what you have purchased, conveniently offering a link to the web page with product description. Your purchasing price, shipping cost, total cost... And they tell what your exact shipping address is and what's your name on your CC.
Just think for a sec, what Google would need to know more to track you down personally? And the tracking suddenly becomes very personal.
The only solution is - never provide Google's mail account when you purchase something on the web. That's one of the main reasons, why I run my own mail server - to get such mails from the Amazon, eBay, NewEgg and other online stores directly to my server. In this case purchase confirmation never come for peruse by Google or other user profiling companies.
I'm not telling you - run your own mail server. I'm telling - don't provide your GMail (or one, offered for "free" by other data-mining companies) account to web stores, or you'll be tracked down precisely to the point, where you live, what CC do you use (last 4 digits), what's your name, what do you buy and when. And please, don't fool yourself that they don't know you personally. They do. That's why they pay for your "free" mail account...
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AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
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kudos:1 | said by OZO:(or one, offered for "free" by other data-mining companies)
what makes you think that paid email accounts are ant better.
At least google is transparent. (fwiw)
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 DrDrewSo that others may surf.
join:2009-01-28
SoCal
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said by OZO:The only solution is - never provide Google's mail account when you purchase something on the web. That's one of the main reasons, why I run my own mail server - to get such mails from the Amazon, eBay, NewEgg and other online stores directly to my server. In this case purchase confirmation never come for peruse by Google or other user profiling companies.
It only makes it slightly more drawn out since the retailer can sell it to the profiling company, if they aren't one themselves like Amazon and Ebay are.
Then again, the retailer or just about ANY other entity you contact may be using Google services internally, like search, gmail, ad services, voice, etc.
To think you can avoid Google or other data mining operations by not personally using any of their services or products is naive.
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And that's been going on for many years now... and yet, I don't feel burdened by any of the promo offers I get in my "Inbox" (or whatever mailbox I filter them into). They're all of the nature: "Hi, it's us... want to buy some more stuff from us? how about this? pretty, pretty! yadda yadda blah blah blah" -- it's stuff I only see when I feel like it, if I feel like it (and, rarely, there's even something I find interesting). Basically, the organizations I do business with (even "free" ones [such as Google]) show some basic respect for their customers by legitimately identifying themselves properly in their emails (unlike spammers and phishers and such). Have people gotten so paranoid about "privacy" that information that has always been "public" or just essential details that someone you do business with has to know about you in order for them to actually do business with you is actually available to them? Google wants to scan my messages to tailor ads (which I never see by the way) in order to provide an excellent service [known as Gmail]? My response to Google: "knock yourself out". Their service is free... and I'm free to ignore any and all ads (that, again, I never see anyway).
Though, yes, people can opt out: don't use their service.
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OZOPremium
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kudos:2 | reply to AVD
They could be better (and you've used the right word here - "better"). At least for those mail providers data mining is not their main stream of revenue (like for the Google and such). And in front of their customers they have a responsibility for the "mail service", not for a shadow business of the data mining.
Again, it's just "better" and, of course, doesn't guarantee anything. But even using a free mail provider, not associated with Google will help you to keep your data more or less private (separate). The worst case, obviously, is to use GMail to get those "courtesy" confirmation mails and to directly link them to your search requests, mapping points or interests, daily Navigation routes, Latitude tracking data, etc.
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OZOPremium
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kudos:2 | reply to mod_wastrel
If you run your own mail service, you know who is spamming you. It's easy to do and it was discussed many times on this forum how to do that. Give every shop/service/bank personalized email address and watch what they do with that... Again, it's very easy to see i(and block) if someone starts to abuse your trust.
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| I see so little spam (across all of my accounts), that it barely registers. It's not even a consideration. | |
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