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freejazz_RdJ

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Vertical Integration - Round 3?

Fresh off the presses:

»www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-in···2320231/

"The federal broadcast regulator ruled in December that BCE had gained an unfair advantage through those deals – and ordered it to make that content available to rival Telus Corp. “at reasonable terms.”
But the NFL has intercepted the regulator’s pass, saying its contract prohibits any Canadian wireless provider except BCE from gaining access to football broadcasts, including this weekend’s Super Bowl, the most-watched sporting event in North America."

So can the CRTC re-write a contract between BCE and the NFL? If it can't, what will it do?


mlerner
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This is what it all boils down to. And you can thank the Government and CRTC for making it happen!

“We have what is probably the largest stable of content anywhere in the world,” he said. “We are a content owner in a big way, and we want our content distributed as widely as possible. It’s how we make money.”


MaynardKrebs
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CRTC will probably have to back down....for this year's Super Bowl broadcast only.



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Its a multi year contract.CRTC can forbid them from showing anything thats tied to the contract but that would never happen and shouldn't but they should be writing the NFL and saying to rewrite it as there will be no more exclusive content allowed in this country


KC

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reply to freejazz_RdJ
What Happens during the Olympics? Could I watch the CTV feeds over Rogers network?

I think, It's a matter of Canadian sovereignty, could a content owner dictate what travels over Canadian air wave. Even-though this time it is over a cell phone.


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Does the NFL prevent CTV from making its broadcast of Superbowl available to subscribers of Rogers cable TV service ? Shaw ? Videotron ? Colba ? smalltownCable Inc ?

If you view the mobile as a BDU, then the NFL has no business preventing CTV from making its content available on any mobile platform.

All this fuss over a service that so few can afford since watching a whole football game on a mobile would likely costs thousands i overage charges


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said by jfmezei:

Does the NFL prevent CTV from making its broadcast of Superbowl available to subscribers of Rogers cable TV service ? Shaw ? Videotron ? Colba ? smalltownCable Inc ?

If you view the mobile as a BDU, then the NFL has no business preventing CTV from making its content available on any mobile platform.

All this fuss over a service that so few can afford since watching a whole football game on a mobile would likely costs thousands i overage charges

As far as I'm concerned BCE created this mess and the NFL was only to happy to agree to it (money talks and bull**** walks)

Can't see how the CRTC can intervene, but here's how stupid the situation is:

In the US it is possible to buy a package with the NFL to stream all games (regular season and playoffs) to your PC or game device, despite games being available on OTA networks.

But in Canada all you can get is the regular season with all of the playoffs unavailable (why hello there BCE/CTV)

Found all this out when I was seriously looking at dumping cable altogether and going streaming for what I do watch (sports)

Screwed up situation this is yes....

NefCanuck


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reply to freejazz_RdJ
This is what kills me

But the NFL refuses to allow Bell to share its games, saying it doesn’t want its content spread among several different broadcast partners.

But it already is, CTV/CityTV each have 2 games in the afternoon on conventional TV, usually eastern based teams. So if my team is a western/southern based team and I want to watch it, I'll probably have to subscribe to Sunday Ticket. I can buy Sunday ticket from most, if not all the BDU's .

So it's already spread across different broadcast partners (and lord help me if CityTV ever gets the Canadian rights to the Superbowl, Rogers just CRUSHES the signal).

JF as for mobile, you are right, BCE charges $5/hr for mobile content PLUS data charges. It's outrageous, they are having their cake and eat it too, by ripping off , I have no issues paying the $15 to watch a football game, but I never leave the Bell network, so why would I get charged for data?
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reply to freejazz_RdJ
Humbly, it makes no never mind if the contract prohibits any Canadian wireless provider except BCE from gaining access to football broadcasts, or any other content for that matter.

B#ell negotiated the contract, likely in bad faith as is their MO. Let them live up to it. When, and every time, they breach the order call them on the carpet and fine them - and that fine should be any and all excess revenues flowing from that undue advantage.

This isn't a problem.

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elwoodblues
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The problem is do you grandfather the current deals or you do make the new regs hard and fast.

Personally if I was Bell and the CRTC said that my current deal with the NFL was null and void(as to exclusivity) I would fight them tooth and nail.

Any future contracts however would be a different story.
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said by elwoodblues:

The problem is do you grandfather the current deals or you do make the new regs hard and fast.

Right you are.

I just have my Buck F#ell hat on right now, sorry.... but I am getting better.



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En Enfer
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reply to freejazz_RdJ
It comes down to this...

- Programs produced by CTV cannot be exclusive to Bell Mobility subscribers.
- On the Quebec side, Quebecor cannot claim exclusivity of Star Académie for Vidéotron mobile subscribers only. Also noteworthy, Vidéotron's wireless service doesn't cover all of Quebec province, territories such as Abitibi or Gaspésie still relies on Robelus.

On the other hand, in 2011, Quebecor asked the CRTC to break the exclusivity contract between Montreal Canadiens to RDS, so their new sports channel, TVA Sports, could broadcast them. The CRTC said no.

Sports specialties were given a category C licence by the CRTC so they can be competitive, and when there's competition, exclusivity deals are a necessity. But it makes no sense for the CRTC to break exclusivity broadcast deals.

On the other hand, if CTV was an alone company, CTV would seek NFL broadcast rights against Global, and seek a mobile deal between Bhell, Rogers, Telus and Vidéotron to reach the maximum people they can, just like the distribution of the CTV feed over cable/satellite. Now they're part of Bhell, well, just change your cell provider to Bhell mobility if you want to watch their exclusive content.

So, yeah, vertical integration IS a problem.
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reply to freejazz_RdJ
The CRTC is right here (unless you really think people should have to buy, say, a Bell cell phone to get NFL and then also a Rogers one to get NHL for example) but they won't be able to keep this cat in the bag for long.

Letting the physical network operators like Bell and Rogers buy the content distributors like CTV and TSN was the fatal mistake (not to mention Bell/Rogers buying content producers like MLSE). They'll keep pushing until they get what they want out of those ventures which is exclusivity and poorer deals for customers (because if consumers are getting better deals, they are making less money).



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said by pnjunction:

The CRTC is right here (unless you really think people should have to buy, say, a Bell cell phone to get NFL and then also a Rogers one to get NHL for example) but they won't be able to keep this cat in the bag for long.

Letting the physical network operators like Bell and Rogers buy the content distributors like CTV and TSN was the fatal mistake (not to mention Bell/Rogers buying content producers like MLSE). They'll keep pushing until they get what they want out of those ventures which is exclusivity and poorer deals for customers (because if consumers are getting better deals, they are making less money).

Read this, now the companies that own the media companies, own the sports teams and are slowing taking over all the broadcast rights.

It's getting ridiculous, I bet you that the CBC will lose HNIC when the contract is up Bell and Rogers will just outbid them.

»www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o···2315028/
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freejazz_RdJ

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reply to pnjunction

said by pnjunction:

The CRTC is right here (unless you really think people should have to buy, say, a Bell cell phone to get NFL and then also a Rogers one to get NHL for example) but they won't be able to keep this cat in the bag for long.

That is only an issue if you really think someone would want that content to much as to purchase two unique subscriptions to a mobile provider. And that likely NEVER happens. It is a straw man and a ridiculous hypothetical.

The value in exclusivity isn't always to lock people into the service you have exclusively. It is also often for the simple fact you can advertise an exclusive.


pnjunction
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said by freejazz_RdJ:

That is only an issue if you really think someone would want that content to much as to purchase two unique subscriptions to a mobile provider. And that likely NEVER happens. It is a straw man and a ridiculous hypothetical.

So since nobody wants it bad enough to pay all that extra money, it's not a problem? Interesting perspective.

I guess if we could only watch NHL on satellite, and NFL on cable, it wouldn't be a problem as long as no one really wanted them bad enough to actually pony up the cash? Again interesting.

Bell and Rogers don't seem to have a shortage of things to advertise, they letter-bomb their entire territories constantly. Exclusivity is about forcing the customers hand and reducing their choices.

freejazz_RdJ

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That isn't the point I'm making. It is that when shopping for a mobile provider, the fact that they have the NFL available for live streaming is almost certainly not on their list or at the bottom. The price for a baseline plan with voice data and text as well as the device selection, bundle discounts and coverage is vastly more important.

If the NFL exclusivity only caused competitors to lose say 500 sales, then the cost for "freeing" consumers from the tyranny of BCE's exclusivity has been exceptionally high and poor value for money. It cannot have been a big issue so far because there are so few mobile TV subscriptions (probaly less than 1 in 1000 mobile accounts).


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