 ArchivisYour DaddyPremium
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Re: After Megaupload: 7 Sites the FBI Might Target Next? said by Coolguy2 :Why are they not going after the usenet (news://) providers?
Not that I want them to, but I've been wondering the same thing for nearly 15 years now.
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I sincerely believe that the concept of filters will never work. I read quite a long time ago that someone had created wonderful filters and provided them to content providers. Supposedly they were able to locate thousands of illegal movies and songs in no time. How well has that worked out? The problem with filters is that pirates just disguise the names. And even if the file is found it is just removed and moved to another 10 locations. Who on earth could ever keep up with this?
And perhaps most importantly who would determine what gets filtered? This would be ripe for anyone wanting to filter out political dissent. |
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said by Zyrtec:It looks like Megaupload.com will not be the first nor the last sharing web-site the U.S. Feds will come after. Thus, if you have files stored on-line you'd better try to save them to USB HDDs or else...
»www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2399462,00.asp
why isnt google on the list since they do support copy right infringement. by linking to such |
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kudos:17 | I thought this was discussed already. |
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said by ashrc4:said by ltsnow:Mannard on the PCMag website sums it up best:
"Filepost, Filefactory, Filesonic, Fileserve, UploadKing, iFolder... the list goes on and on. Stupid ass feds need to realize that you can keep trying to stop the filesharing but you never will. It's about as pathetic as the drug war on marijuana."
The idea's to stop it keep coming though....this one promises a cut of revenue for redirects. "The internet could be on the verge of a revolution as internet providers use new technology to filter out pirated material, child pornography and malware and buddy up with copyright owners to bolster their own revenues, an Australian technologist has forecast. Kevin Bermeister, one of the original financial backers of Skype, said in a blog that technology sold by the likes of network equipment giants Cisco, Juniper and Huawei had developed to the point where it would be possible for internet providers to offer a "global file registry filter" that would reduce piracy and net nasties "to a very small problem". » www.theage.com.au/technology/tec···rzk.html Aren't most antivirus programs primarily filters at heart (signature-based)... and they have finally stamped out hacking and black hat activities in what part of which planet? And don't such programs occasionally cough up "false positives" that can sometimes play havoc with user systems? When these "global file registry filters" are in place and start processing all manner of traffic and/or stored files, it boggles the mind to ponder just what kinds of hiccups will be created for legitimate data and users once the file filters' "false positives" start kicking in. One further has to wonder just what magical methods will make them more effective at halting the activities of determined adversaries than antivirus has been at halting malware activity.
I'm yet again amused at the blind optimism of those pundits who continually worship at the shrine of technology, believing it will finally, once-and-for-all solve the problems of mankind and forever alter human nature.
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That's Chinese! :P |
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said by Archivis:said by Coolguy2 :Why are they not going after the usenet (news://) providers?
Not that I want them to, but I've been wondering the same thing for nearly 15 years now. Ditto.
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 DrStrangeTechnically feasiblePremium
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They went after usenet.com in 2009.
»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news···suit.ars
Customers just went elsewhere. It was like whack-a-mole. This is also like whack-a-mole.
How are they going to get rid of 'piracy' if they can't even stop spammers?
The analogy to the 'drug war' is very apt. |
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 therube
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A lot of people in the ... community uses these services ... All of which are completely legal to download.
As is the case with torrents. Next is the censure of http: . And you'll be able to say, "a lot of people in the community use these services ...". And then the censure of the right to free speech. And you'll be able to say, "a lot of people in the community used to speak ...".
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Aren't most antivirus programs primarily filters at heart (signature-based)... and they have finally stamped out hacking and black hat activities in what part of which planet?
Exactly.
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They went after usenet.com in 2009.
Customers just went elsewhere.
Right. And what it also did was to give an ISP who otherwise may have otherwise carried news:// an out to stop carrying it altogether. Oh, all that nasty stuff. As of xxx, news:// will be discontinued. (ISP's didn't want it anyhow & would have gotten rid of it in any case, but given the chance they jumped.) |
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DrStrangeTechnically feasiblePremium
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kudos:1 | Yes, that's exactly what they did. Newsgroup coverage and retention on most ISPs had become hit-and-miss up to that point. After about 2003 or 2004, if you called your ISP's tech support, you had a good chance of reaching someone who didn't know what usenet was, much less that it was supposed to be included in Internet service. The usenet.com lawsuit and various child porn flaps gave the major ISPs the excuse to drop usenet like a hot potato.
Since usenet providers only provide usenet access, it's not treated like a red-headed stepchild. Coverage and retention are far superior to what the major ISPs were offering. |
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Are these 7 sites that threaten to provide new (legal) services that topple existing industries? If so, then yeah, they're also in danger. 
Naw, the only reason the DOJ hit Megaupload hard was for the potential new music-industry upsetting service on the horizon. So long as these sites continue to follow DMCA notices and don't piss off established industry, they're fine. |
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| said by Thaler:Are these 7 sites that threaten to provide new (legal) services that topple existing industries? If so, then yeah, they're also in danger.
Naw, the only reason the DOJ hit Megaupload hard was for the potential new music-industry upsetting service on the horizon. So long as these sites continue to follow DMCA notices and don't piss off established industry, they're fine.
the DMCA is a U.S. based law, other countries don't have to follow it, if a filehost is located in a country that didn't sign the DMCA treaty, and they use a .ORG domain, which is not controlled by the U.S., they wouldn't even notice any efforts by the U.S. to shut them down. the U.S. can only take down what is vulnerable, by a treaty, or in U.S. jurisdiction. filehost need to get smart and get hosted in a country that didn't sign that DMCA treaty, and use the .ORG domain, then they are safe. |
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therube
join:2004-11-11
Randallstown, MD | reply to Zyrtec
I have not attempted to verify any accuracy:
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FileSonic has taken its own site down to limited use and is probably hoping they will be over looked in investigations on other sites to go after. It is thought that they have some servers in U.S.
»www.filesonic.com/
All sharing functionality on FileSonic is now disabled. our service can only be used to upload and retrieve files that you have uploaded personally.
They have also discontinued its affiliates rewards program and yet to pay accrued money to members though some have been told they will get paid. Those who paid for membership accounts including lifetime however may see nothing. They are now banning accounts that have Repeat Infringement due to numerous copyright (dmca) notices.
»www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/filesonic···st/67670
Updates on other sites:
crocko.com affiliate program closed.
downupload.com has closed affiliate program.
Easy-Share.com has closed affiliate program
EnterUpload.com down and redirects.
FileFrog.to is Down.
FileJungle.com Closed affiliate program and you can no longer download files unless they are yours.
Filepost started suspending accounts with infringing material. Closed it’s affiliate program.
Fileserve removed it’s affiliate page (Jan 20) and you can no longer download files unless they are yours.
Filevelocity.com has closed affiliate program.
GlumboUploads.com has closed affiliate program
GrooveFile.com is Dead
mediafire.com Called to testify in the next 90 days and it will open doors pro FBI.
megashare.com has closed it's affiliate program.
Oron.com affiliate accounts are on hold and only going to be released when account has been checked and approved within boundaries of TOS.
Putlocker Effective February 1st 2012, the affiliate program is shutting down. We will be launching a Partner Program for original content creators in the near future.
slingfile.com We're closing our Affiliate Program on Wednesday 25 January.
Sockshare is now down?. They were going to shut down affiliate program February 1st like Putlocker.
uploadbox.com UploadBox file hosting service is no longer available. All files will be deleted on January 30th. Feel free to download the files you store with UploadBox until this date.
uploaded.to has been blocking U.S. visitors from accessing its site and the FBI went after the owners who are gone.
uploading.com has suspended it’s affiliate program. Access to all affiliate accounts will be suspended as well on Tuesday 24th of Jan.
UploadStation.com Closed affiliate program and you can no longer download files unless they are yours.
Videozer has no affiliate/make money page now. now deleting files.
VideoBB closed it’s affiliate program. now deleting files.
Wupload closed it’s affiliate program, which is old news as it was done back on November 27.
x7.to is Down. (google translate: We regret to inform you that we adjust our services completely)
4shared.com Closed affiliate program and is deleting files.
rapidshare.com is not going anywhere and is continuing as normal according to them. »i.imgur.com/GMxGr.png
»forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic···11661131 |
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said by Blackbird:I'm yet again amused at the blind optimism of those pundits who continually worship at the shrine of technology, believing it will finally, once-and-for-all solve the problems of mankind and forever alter human nature.
I think if piracy could/can be reduced to say 10% then maybe they will stop looking at ways to curtail it.
The most successful method of retaining revenue so far has been to reduce price. The only method i would endorse so far as overall fair so far.
By the looks of what "the rube" just posted they are on their way for a similar target.
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