 DrStrangeTechnically feasiblePremium
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Re: Weather Experts: Why is the Northeast so warm this winter? Definitely not as warm, relative to normal, this month than last month. At least for the first half.
I don't see anything in the models that would hint at anything beyond normal cold through the middle of the month. Eastern Canada will have a couple of good deep freezes, but I've seen that kind of weather hang on for months on end up there some winters. I don't think I see a freeze as far south as Florida.
The weather in the eastern US this winter is on warm end of normal variability. The current severe cold wave in Europe is at the cold extreme for normal variability, but still within the realm of normal variability.
Please note, however: In the past 10-20 years, I've seen extreme events and abnormal patterns repeating in many areas of the world, especially western Europe, south and southeast Asia and Oceania. The only place I haven't seen a lot of it is right here in eastern North America. That finally started to change in the past couple of years. The change I'm noticing is that the weather is getting more extreme and less predictable.
On average, the weather is getting slightly, but consistently, warmer as well. In the past 30-40 years, I've noticed the same deciduous trees leaf a week or two earlier and keep their leaves 2-3 weeks longer. Crocuses and daffodils bloom earlier and roses die off later. Winters have gotten much less consistently cold. When I was a lot younger, I could ice-skate on any pond for a couple of months every winter. I think I've seen ponds frozen over thick enough to skate on in one year out of the last 15. There was last winter. Before that, it was a couple of winters after Mt. Pinatubo blew. There were good reasons why those years were cold. The weather isn't different in any one year. It's different almost every year. 'Normal' is changing.
I'm going to hold the rest of that thought for an actual discussion on climate change, because it's not relevant to the OP's question except to answer 'no' with a qualification. I've elaborated on the qualification as much as I care to in this thread.
BTW: 'They' know ice core and tree ring records fairly well. |
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The short answer is that most of the cold air that would normally came down from Canada went elsewhere.
The somewhat longer one is that it's a strange combination of La Nina and North Atlantic oscillation that kept the cold air out.
A few days ago I saw a map showing average temps until Jan 25 or so, and all areas of the the lower 48s except the south tip of FL and a small, mostly coastal area of the PNW were either above, or well above average temperatures.
Here (Lynnwod, 30 miles north of Seattle) we've had 6 - 7 days with daytime max at or below freezing, and 5 - 6 days with snow *every* day. I do not remember anything like this ever happening here in the last 30 years or so. Normally, we get 1 - 2 days of snow, then warming and rain. Occasionally, 1 - 2 days of snow, then clearing and cold. Interestingly, aside from a big snowstorm at the end, Seattle barely got anything, although in that one day, Seattle got as much snow (~6") as it normally receives in a year.
One of the predicted effect of global warming is more extreme weather, BTW. Of course this can't just be pinned on GW, but it may play some role.
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said by Hayward:Oh sheesh next thing your going to say probably the earth is only 5000 years old, created in 6 days, and the seventh day took a snooze
of course , everyone who disagrees must be a moron. |
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Re: Weather Experts: Why is the Northeast so warm this winter? »usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/···nswer-is
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said by Hayward:The ice records go back 100's of thousands of years, and can be read both like tree rings and radioactive half life dating.
And the gas originally between snowflakes, trapped when compressed into ice, can accurately measured as to the ratio of those atmospheric gasses
Yes, and no one seems to advertise the fact that the receding glaciers are showing that there were once trees and other "green" plants under them. That also points to a cyclic pattern where at one time there were no glaciers where they are now. But those pushing their agenda will not acknowledge that. |
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said by ropeguru:said by Hayward:The ice records go back 100's of thousands of years, and can be read both like tree rings and radioactive half life dating.
And the gas originally between snowflakes, trapped when compressed into ice, can accurately measured as to the ratio of those atmospheric gasses
Yes, and no one seems to advertise the fact that the receding glaciers are showing that there were once trees and other "green" plants under them. That also points to a cyclic pattern where at one time there were no glaciers where they are now. But those pushing their agenda will not acknowledge that. And again what the other side will not admit... yes we just may be in a natural cycle, but the science FACT is we are horribly ACCELERATING it like never before.
I am not a breeder so when I am dead and gone before its too late.... but what are the others arrogantly and intentionally leaving their hope for the future to contend with because they just couldn't be bothered.
And that is the oddest thing of all... it is the childless people that seem most concerned. They ones that see future and the perpetuating DON'T???
Sorry kids you deal with it, we were too greedy.
In the 60's and 70's felt that way about my parents... 5x factor now... but to my fathers credit back then made me aware of it...but it is a loosing proposition when breeding like bunnies and (unsustainable) growth forever is the thing.
He was in the PR biz largely for oil and gas... they all knew this crap was coming 50+ years ago... but only profit mattered, and still does screw the future.
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There are LESS hurricanes and tornadoes then 1950s , being 50 F in February is nothing new, and sea levels are falling. I guess being a left winger means harping a falsehood until everyone believes it. NOAA even posted it on their site. |
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