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sbrook
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Web development book including secure sites

OK, I can write HTML until it comes out of my ears ... who needs WYSIWIG tools for that

But I'm now doing the webhosting and development for a friend's B&B site and the existing site has these new fangled Style Sheets ... and a Secure part using GnuPG as well as other secure parts and some PHP parts thrown in for good measure.

To help things along, they've used at least 4 different WYSIWIG editors ... including FrontPage, Nano, Frontpad along with regular text editing. Sure makes life fun and creates some horribly inefficient web pages.

So, I have to pick up the pieces that her husband left behind (he's very indisposed and will be for the foreseeable future, so he can't be a lot of help).

So what I need is a useful practical easy to follow book (I'd say for Dummies but maybe that will be TOO simplistic) to help me wade through this quagmire ... particularly wrt the style sheets and secure site stuff.

The host will be Apache.

Thank goodness I'm not hosting their email which is on Exchange! I can work my way around a Linux cPanel!


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CSS books are a dime a dozen, or just visit any of the CSS websites. The easiest way to learn for me, has been just to dig right in. If the WYSIWYG editors had full control over the CSS, it may be easier to just recode the pages. I inherited a site once that had been managed by Frontpage and Dreamweaver and that was what I ended up having to do.

You say that you can write HTML, but sound like you don't have much experience with stylesheets. I'm going to bet you use tables for all your layouts? You have to get away from that mindset if so.

As for security, I won't get into that has I don't do PHP and Apache, but there are many different ways of doing it so you may have to talk specifics as to what you already have and what you need.



sbrook
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Thanks ... Tables? Nope ... horrible way to lay out a site. Anything I've done in the past relies on the KISS principle Frames at best. Tables are for true tables

That's one of the fun parts of this site ... it's such a hodge podge ... style sheets, tables, frames, cgi scripts ... it's ALL there. The goal is to fix the bugs that were created as a result of moving to a new host (the old host was a similar dogs dinner of installation issues as the site itself!) so it can limp along while we build a new site to replace it ... one that's straightforward and will work wherever it's ported in the future!



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Most books are already out of date. You might want to look at w3schools.com to get see if it can get you up to speed quicker but it might be too fast. Some will diss w3schools due to a site called w3fools which points to significant errors but a lot of that has been cleaned up recently. Just remember w3schools is in no way affiliated with the w3c.



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said by sbrook:

Thanks ... Tables? Nope ... horrible way to lay out a site. Anything I've done in the past relies on the KISS principle Frames at best. Tables are for true tables

Danger. Sharp curves ahead.

If you aren't familar with CSS, and you don't use tables, I'm going to guess you've only worked with very basic designs?


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I suppose you'd call them basic ... yes ... but effective and the people they were done for were more than pleased. As I said, I believe in the KISS (Keep It Simple S...) principle

Yes, dangerous curves indeed ... it needs some warped thinking ... like a Fortran programmer trying to use COBOL! Or going from C with terminal I/O to Visual C++!

That's why a book for dummies (or is that for albatrosses) is needed!

Thanks for the warning



gorrillamcd
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I learned web design using tables, frames, etc back in high school. Oh man, once you learn CSS, you'll see how obtuse it is to design a site that way.

There are a ton of design websites that have great tutorials on web design. For CSS, I have this one bookmarked: »spyrestudios.com/css-in-depth-ma···x-model/ (Part 1 of 4. It should have a link to the other parts)

As far as books go, I can't recommend any. There's enough solid information online that you shouldn't have to buy a book, unless that's the way you like to learn of course.

Some other good resources on Web Design and CSS:
- webdesign.tutsplus.com
- net.tutsplus.com (more developer oriented)
- line25.com (has some great walk-throughs of start to finish sites)
- »www.stumbleupon.com/su/2AUpjs/le···eet.html

Let me encourage you to get caught up on these new technologies. Learn HTML5 and CSS. Since you're already having to make the jump, might as well learn the latest.
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sbrook
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Thank you



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said by gorrillamcd:

I learned web design using tables, frames, etc back in high school. Oh man, once you learn CSS, you'll see how obtuse it is to design a site that way.

Then, once you learn CSS for years, and then are asked to design an HTML email and you have to relearn all that table layout if you want your design to have any resemblance to each other across browsers, you'll REALLY see how obtuse it is to design that way.


sbrook
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I really have a distaste for laying out a website using tables since it really is a case of making a hammer work as a screwdriver



gorrillamcd
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said by cdru:

Then, once you learn CSS for years, and then are asked to design an HTML email and you have to relearn all that table layout if you want your design to have any resemblance to each other across browsers, you'll REALLY see how obtuse it is to design that way.

I feel your pain. When I had to do some email newsletters, I ended up going with mailchimp.com and modified an html email template from the internet.
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