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mogamer

join:2011-04-20
Royal Oak, MI

Sue WB?

If WB tries to restrict the amount of product a retailer can sell Redbox, then Redbox should sue WB. Maybe under RICO? I don't know the law, so I'm sure about that one. But one would think that WB would be violating at least one law dealing in restricting trade.


25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH

how? WB can restrict the wholesalers with no problems. If the wholesaler does not wish to comply WB can pull their supply and contract from them as well.



Hall
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join:2000-04-28
Germantown, OH
kudos:2
reply to mogamer

Redbox can make a quiet arrangement with Walmart, for example, to buy 2x the number of copies they'd normally buy for movies that Redbox specifies. The movie studios may threaten to cancel sales to Walmart, but they won't.

Why does Walmart care if a Redbox employee buys (40) copies of the same movie for $16.99 or (40) individuals buy a single copy for $16.99. In fact, Walmart probably prefers the BULK sale !


mogamer

join:2011-04-20
Royal Oak, MI
reply to 25139889

said by 25139889:

how? WB can restrict the wholesalers with no problems. If the wholesaler does not wish to comply WB can pull their supply and contract from them as well.

So you think it's legal for a company to put into a contract saying how many units a wholesaler can sell to a customer? Maybe your right, but that doesn't sound quite right to me.

axus

join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC

I agree, this stinks of the same monopoly control Microsoft used over computer retailers in the 90s.


ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
reply to Hall

Exactly. There is absolutely no way that a studio would want to get into an arms race with a major retailer. Sure, they could withhold a popular title, but the retailer could then retaliate by pulling the studio's entire catalog from the shelves. In the end, both would lose money, but the retailer would absorb the loss better since it sells many other products and can simply reallocate that shelf space to something else. The studio, OTOH, has just lost a major distributor of the only product they make.

The movie studios, record labels, and television programmers seem to think that they can continue to maximize their profit with no repercussions and that people will pay whatever is demanded of them. I think they're in for a rude awakening.


Kearnstd
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Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:1

Exactly. No studio would pick a fight with Walmart or Amazon. The studio would see huge losses if their entire catalog where pulled from the tens of thousands of walmarts world wide.
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Hall
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join:2000-04-28
Germantown, OH
kudos:2

And the reason I mentioned Walmart was that in the past, I've read that Redbox primarily used them for stocking their kiosks.

Regarding Amazon, buy.com, etc, if you buy a new release, i.e. pre-order it, do you get it on release day ? That means they'd have to ship it earlier obviously but then you're depending on the carrier to be "on time".



Pirate515
Premium
join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
reply to axus

said by axus:

I agree, this stinks of the same monopoly control Microsoft used over computer retailers in the 90s.

It was not the retailers, it was OEM's like Dell, HP, Gateway to be exact. Some of their sales guys openly admitted that they had a contract with Microsoft that every computer that ships with a hard drive must have the latest and "greatest" version of Windows pre-installed on it. The only choice for those who just wanted the hardware was to buy a computer without HDD, then buy it separately and load whatever OS they wanted.
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Pirate515
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join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
reply to Hall

said by Hall:

And the reason I mentioned Walmart was that in the past, I've read that RedBox primarily used them for stocking their kiosks.

So wait, RedBox has been purchasing them in the retail all along instead of using these "Rental Only" copies provided by studios?

said by Hall:

Regarding Amazon, buy.com, etc, if you buy a new release, i.e. pre-order it, do you get it on release day? That means they'd have to ship it earlier obviously but then you're depending on the carrier to be "on time".

As long as the carrier guarantees that it will be delivered on a given date, it will be. The stuff usually arrives at the local hub a few days before the scheduled delivery date just to make sure that they don't miss the deadline and then sits there as the carrier has a contractual obligation with shipper not to deliver it earlier. When I ordered my numerous iPhones, according to tracking info, they usually got to my local hub a day or two before, but UPS/FedEx would not deliver or allow them to be picked up locally before the release date as Apple lawyers would have a field day with them if they did.
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Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies...
A MESSAGE to the RIAA and the MPAA: You shouldn't wound what you can't kill...


cdru
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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said by Pirate515:

As long as the carrier guarantees that it will be delivered on a given date, it will be. The stuff usually arrives at the local hub a few days before the scheduled delivery date just to make sure that they don't miss the deadline and then sits there as the carrier has a contractual obligation with shipper not to deliver it earlier.

13+ years ago when I worked for a period at Blockbuster, we'd usually receive new releases a week early from our distribution centers. For MAJOR new releases, it could be even earlier. I remember when Titanic came out we had a ton of boxes for pre-orders and just our initial retail supply (not including rentals) a month early.


Hall
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join:2000-04-28
Germantown, OH
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reply to Pirate515

said by Pirate515:

So wait, RedBox has been purchasing them in the retail all along instead of using these "Rental Only" copies provided by studios?

This discussion only centers around movies that the studios may be delaying from Redbox.