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jasmo34

join:2008-03-20
London, ON

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reply to Eug

Re: New prices and fees?

How about...

Activation Charge for DSL 2 and DSL 6 . . . . . . . . $49 one-time payment _OR_ $4.99/mo for 11 months.

Sort of like the old modem rent-to-own plans. Obviously you would want to encourage the up front payment.

edit1: changed amounts to below perceived 'thresholds'


JCohen
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reply to Eug

said by Eug:

said by JCohen:

At least they renamed it on the DSL page to "Activation Charge" instead of "Network Access Fee".

Well, both names are lame. Why would someone need to activate their account every month?

The weird part is that $36.49 is perfectly fair for 6/0.8 service, so it really makes zero sense for them to advertise it at $34.99. Distributel has the same service for $36.99, with an additional one-time $10 Activation Fee and $29 Installation Fee.

TSI could advertise it at $36.49 with the statement NO ACTIVATION FEE, and that would look much better.

It would definitely be a much smarter idea to just include the $1.50 in the monthly fee than no one any the wiser and complains about it. It would also be much better from a marketing standpoint.

Davesnothere
No-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages

join:2009-06-15
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reply to Eug

said by Eug:

said by JCohen:

At least they renamed it on the DSL page to "Activation Charge" instead of "Network Access Fee".

 
Well, both names are lame....

 
Then TSI could call it what it is.

BS = Bell Surcharge

Any other fee which is directly passed on from Bell like that could use the same code next to it - 'BS'.

jasmo34

join:2008-03-20
London, ON

said by Davesnothere:

said by jasmo34:

I received a response to my question in the TSI Direct Forum about the 2M/800K/25GB DSL plan, and the off-peak unmetered time. I had asked for confirmation, since the rules had apparently changed since Jan. 3rd...

"Hello, I can confirm that the off peak usage meter applies for all DSL customers, not just the 300gb plans.
Regards, TSI Jeremy" ... 2012-02-02 ... 18:34:46

So, I believe the "High Speed DSL 2" plan got the only real "improvement" today! And that could definitely make quite a difference to that plan.

A followup question for you to ask for us, if you do not mind: What will happen on the DSL2 plan if we exceed our 25GB monthly cap during normal hours ?

No real answers, but here's what I was told in my Direct Forum follow-up question, about overages on the new High Speed DSL2 (HS DSL2) plan...

~~~~~
I have been in contact with our Billing department. Since this is a new plan they are currently working on how the usage billing will work with it. Once they have a definite answer they will ensure that it is posted out there on the forum for all. Please do keep an eye on the forum for further updates.
... TSI Tracy ... 2012-02-03 ... 10:13:12 ...
~~~~~

So, basically, they were unprepared. Keep an eye on the "Automatic rollover" thread for an answer. I had mentioned in my question that overages were being 'discussed' there.
(3rd place I've posted this info... I'm thinking we might need a separate thread just for HS DSL2, because it is "different"! )

Davesnothere
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said by jasmo34:

....3rd place I've posted this info... I'm thinking we might need a separate thread just for HS DSL2, because it is "different"!

 
Please DO !

Thanks for the update.


timea

join:2011-02-02
Montreal-DSL

some updates - FAQs for the 2M DSL, roll over, network fee / activation fee / new modem fee ...

»teksavvy.com/en/Pricing%20FAQ%20···2012.pdf


Sync

join:2012-01-19
Terrebonne, QC

That 1.50$ hidden fee is illegal in Quebec.

Read bill 60

It should be included in the price.


Davesnothere
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reply to timea
 
I started a separate thread for the FAQ.

»Teksavvy New Pricing FAQ !



Spike
Premium
join:2008-05-16
Toronto, ON

reply to daboom
What $1.50 fee is this? So instead of my internet going up about $15 overnight, its more like $20?

Meh.


Velix

join:2007-06-08
La Prairie, QC
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reply to Sync

said by Sync:

That 1.50$ hidden fee is illegal in Quebec.

Read bill 60

It should be included in the price.

Which article?
The failure of sending a 30 day notice before adding a $1.50 "activation" fee?

Sync

join:2012-01-19
Terrebonne, QC

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said by Velix:

Which article?
The failure of sending a 30 day notice before adding a $1.50 "activation" fee?

Here it is. Loi sur la protection du consommateur, Article 224

»www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.q···0_1.html

Sorry, what I found was all in french

other articles might apply too.

Of course it's Québec law. Maybe that does not apply to them because they are based in Ontario, I dont know.

Here's some articles about that:

»www.opc.gouv.qc.ca/WebForms/Mess···ion.aspx
»www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebe···s-caches
»lapresseaffaires.cyberpresse.ca/···eurs.php
»www.auto123.com/fr/actualites/lo···d=120491

This article was made because of businesses that try to lure customers with artificial low prices. CUstomers should be able to compare the total price they have to pay and not have to dig in the small characters (small or not) to see the REAL price.

By the way, the reason why people complain about is not because it's 1.50$, it's because it's done this way just to make the final price look more appealing to the customer.

So... maybe that law doesnt apply to them, I dont know but anyway, is it really worth it to look dishonest just for 1.50$ ?

edit:

This article answered my question earlier:

»lapresseaffaires.cyberpresse.ca/···-loi.php

more precisely this part:

Or, Air Canada estime que «les nouvelles dispositions de la Loi sur la protection du consommateur ne s'appliquent pas aux transporteurs aériens dans la vente de billets d'avion», nous a dit la porte-parole Isabelle Arthur.

«Le transport aérien est une activité de juridiction fédérale, régie par des règles fédérales, et supervisée par des organismes fédéraux dont Transport Canada, l'Office des transports du Canada et le Bureau de la concurrence du Canada», a-t-elle précisé.

Mais l'OPC rejette cet argument. «Nous sommes tout à fait conscients que les activités de transport aérien sont de juridiction fédérale. Cependant, lorsqu'une entreprise conclut un contrat avec un consommateur au Québec, elle est assujettie à la LPC», affirme Me Allard.

Les banques canadiennes ont déjà fait valoir devant les tribunaux qu'elles n'étaient pas assujetties à la LPC, étant elles-aussi de juridiction fédérale. Elles ont été déboutées. Mais elles pourraient porter la cause jusqu'en Cour suprême.


timea

join:2011-02-02
Montreal-DSL

reply to Velix

said by Velix:

said by Sync:

That 1.50$ hidden fee is illegal in Quebec.

Read bill 60

It should be included in the price.

Which article?
The failure of sending a 30 day notice before adding a $1.50 "activation" fee?

It is only for new customers ...so no need for a 30 days notice ...

Velix

join:2007-06-08
La Prairie, QC
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That's why I'm asking which article? I read it and I didn't see where they are breaking the Qc bill 60 law. Since I'm no lawyer, I'm curious to know which article of law they are alleged to have broken.

edit:
Ok, now I see it. Companies need to advertise the total price in Qc now, not a low price with an add on to it.



En Enfer
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join:2003-07-25
Montreal, QC
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reply to Sync

said by Sync:

Here it is. Loi sur la protection du consommateur, Article 224

Thanks.

quote:
4.10. Why has TekSavvy decided to now itemize their service charges rather than keeping their pricing combined?
A: In an effort to remain transparent, which we are known for, we have broken-down pricing and fees for each package.
Sorry guys, but being transparent also means making things much more simpler. The advertised price should be the price that any new DSL subscriber should pay, plus taxes.

Giving a 1.50$/8$ rebate to existing customers prior to February should be a better approach rather that breaking the provincial law.
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Velix

join:2007-06-08
La Prairie, QC
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reply to Velix
Here's the english version of the Quebec R.S.Q., chapter P-40.1
»www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.q···1_A.html
Consumer Protection Act.


224. No merchant, manufacturer or advertiser may, by any means whatever,

(a) lay lesser stress, in an advertisement, on the price of a set of goods or services than on the price of any goods or services forming part of the set;

(b) subject to sections 244 to 247, disclose, in an advertisement, the amount of the instalments to be paid to acquire goods or to obtain a service without also disclosing the total price of the goods or services and laying the greater stress on such total price;

(c) charge, for goods or services, a higher price than that advertised.

For the purposes of subparagraph c of the first paragraph, the price advertised must include the total amount the consumer must pay for the goods or services. However, the price advertised need not include the Québec sales tax or the Goods and Services Tax. More emphasis must be put on the price advertised than on the amounts of which the price is made up


anthonys08

join:2011-09-14

1 edit

reply to daboom
Wow, I recommended Teksavvy to everyone. Now I will be leaving. Hows Acanac and Distributel?

Edit: Just learned about EBox, hows their Ontario service?


JonyBelGeul

join:2008-07-31

1 edit

reply to En Enfer
This would also apply to broadband internet which rides on the phone service, when advertised at a price that does not include this phone service, yet requires this phone service for this price to be valid. When not getting phone service, the price advertised is still not the "total price" since dry loop fees apply in this case. In either case, actual price for the service is higher than advertised. Bell does this all the time.

If we want to be picky and bash TSI, we could say that their ads now lie about their "starting from" price of $24.95 in some provinces like QC for example. The lowest price for broadband is not $24.99 for DSL2, but $26.95 for cable3. It's like this because cable3 is the full service and does not require dry loop or phone service to ride on so it's the total price. DSL2 requires at least dry loop, which brings the lowest total price up to $33.74.

But if we bash TSI for this, we should bash every other indie, and all incumbents, for the same thing too. It's only fair.



Indeedy

@videotron.ca

reply to Velix

said by Velix:

Here's the english version of the Quebec R.S.Q., chapter P-40.1
»www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.q···1_A.html
Consumer Protection Act.


224. No merchant, manufacturer or advertiser may, by any means whatever,

(a) lay lesser stress, in an advertisement, on the price of a set of goods or services than on the price of any goods or services forming part of the set;

(b) subject to sections 244 to 247, disclose, in an advertisement, the amount of the instalments to be paid to acquire goods or to obtain a service without also disclosing the total price of the goods or services and laying the greater stress on such total price;

(c) charge, for goods or services, a higher price than that advertised.

For the purposes of subparagraph c of the first paragraph, the price advertised must include the total amount the consumer must pay for the goods or services. However, the price advertised need not include the Québec sales tax or the Goods and Services Tax. More emphasis must be put on the price advertised than on the amounts of which the price is made up

This is indeed true.

This is why Bell Canada stopped their stupidity in Quebec with advertizing one price and billing another price which included modem fee's and whatever else.

It was also in the media.

JonyBelGeul

join:2008-07-31

If Bell truly stopped their BS, then the price I see on their website for the Essential service should be the total price, even if that's the only service I buy. For reference, it's $29.95/month. So according to the law, if Bell says I must get a dry loop and pay extra, I simply invoke that law and say the price you advertised should be the total price if that's the only service I get. The argument here is that dry loop is an inherent requirement when not getting phone service on which DSL rides. Incidentally, that argument should also apply to any indie which provides DSL and charges dry loop.



Indeedy

@videotron.ca

said by JonyBelGeul:

If Bell truly stopped their BS, then the price I see on their website for the Essential service should be the total price, even if that's the only service I buy. For reference, it's $29.95/month. So according to the law, if Bell says I must get a dry loop and pay extra, I simply invoke that law and say the price you advertised should be the total price if that's the only service I get.

As far as I know, Bell does not charge a dry-loop fee. Is this something new?
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