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KoRnGtL15
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[WIN7] 160gb ssd install taking 30.4gb?


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Just got my new pc. I noticed after installing my drivers, window updates and a few programs. It has taken up that much space? Why so much? I have another system with a 500gb hdd and software wise. It is pretty much the same but only taking up 21gb. Any ideas? Did I do something wrong during install? It is a HP machine. I made my recovery discs first of course. In case something went wrong. Any ways. I deleted the existing partitions and created a new one. Did I miss a step by not selecting "format" after creating the new partition? I assumed deleting the earlier partitions would be good enough since you are not suppose to format a ssd. I don't have a windows.old folder or any thing either from the install.


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What are your specs?

Hibernation is enabled by default and the file used is equal to your installed memory. Also I'm not sure if the pagefile is enabled by default on SSD, that is by default somewhere greater than your installed memory. So for instance I have 8GB of memory, that's at least 16GB off the bat for pagefile and hibernation.

Microsoft started linking all files from the WinSxS folder, so what you see is actually in Windows\WinSxS. Explorer counts these more than once.

Then you get to Windows Updates. They install multiple versions of the same file. So now all those other versions are included in the used space count. Every time you install Windows Updates, your free space space is reduced by a good amount. Sometimes I noticed I would even gain free space from installing updates (rare). Also, in Windows Vista and later, unlike XP and earlier, you cannot delete hotfix/update uninstallers. In XP if I deemed everything OK, I could delete the uninstallers and reclaim disk space at the expense of not being to uninstall the hotfix/update. Used space after installing updates would remain next to nothing.

I have my Windows 7 partition set at 100GB so it will give me enough room for those pesky Windows Updates.
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KoRnGtL15
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Hibernation and pagefile. I am so lost. In simple terms. Do you think I am fine or do I need another reinstall? Thank you for the help....


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If anyone has more input. It would be greatly appreciated. I am literally sitting here right now not knowing if I need another reinstall or not.



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Well, I guess what I was saying is that lots of RAM is common these days and the paging file and hibernate file are based on the amount of RAM you have installed and take up the most space, the more RAM you have the larger these file are. That's why I asked for your specifications.

I think you are good, it is just the way Win 7 counts disk space and how ubiquitous (and cheap) large amounts of RAM are these days. I've been reading your other threads too but others might want to know.

Sorry if I got too technical.
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Spec wise. Here is what I got from the order form.

HP Pavilion HPE h9t customizable Desktop PC

• Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium [64-bit]
• 2nd Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 processor [3.4GHz, 8MB Shared Cache]
• 8GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [2 DIMMs]
• 160GB solid state drive
• 500GB 7200 rpm SATA hard drive
• No additional office software
• SAVE $20 on Norton Internet Security(TM) 2012 - 15 month
• 1GB DDR5 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti [2 DVI, mini-HDMI. VGA adapter]
• Air Cooling Solution
• SuperMulti DVD Burner
• Integrated Ethernet port, No wireless LAN
• 15-in-1 memory card reader, 4 x USB 2.0 (front), 2 x USB 3.0 (top)
• No TV Tuner
• Beats Audio (tm) -- integrated studio quality sound
• Premium HP keyboard and optical mouse

I replaced the video card already with a Evga Superlocked GTX 560 from my old system. Popped in the 550 Ti from new system to the old system.


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said by KoRnGtL15:

JI assumed deleting the earlier partitions would be good enough since you are not suppose to format a ssd.

FWIW, if something didn't format the SSD, you would not be able to store files in it. In modern Windows parlance, 'format' means 'create a file system'.

But Windows Setup knows how to format disk volumes, and does so.

The think you probably don't want to do is check for bad blocks: unnecessary write cycles and possibly slowing the SSD down unless the checked space was "trimmed". In Windows, that happens as part of a "full format" - choose "quick". (Possibly Windows 7 is aware of the SSD and would handle it appropriately).

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said by KoRnGtL15:

If anyone has more input. It would be greatly appreciated. I am literally sitting here right now not knowing if I need another reinstall or not.

Absent any clear idea whether you "did something wrong", I would suppose you did not, and any reinstall will produce the same results.


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There's a utility in SP1 that will reclaim some of the wasted space in the SxS folder, it's basically going to get rid of the ability to uninstall SP1 and clean up the duplicate files/links.
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Thanks everyone. While doing some google work and asking on another board as well. I was told when you create a new partition and it is the only primary. Windows 7 automatically formats it and makes it available. I did not know this. Also. My windows 7 version had sp1 in it as well. Even with that. There was over 60 updates available.


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I also forgot to mention this. After doing the updates and installing drivers. I made a back up to my second drive. Here is the interesting part. It only took up 16gb! So where did my extra space go on the ssd? I cant account for 10gb or even more missing. Total size of programs installed is 649mb. So yes. I am missing quite a bit on my ssd not counted for? According to the backup. Windows 7 installed with all updates, drivers and my programs. Should have only taken about 17gb! Yet 30gb is taken?!?


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Backups usually compress saved files...



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The hibernate file and pagefile aren't in the back up.

You can free up 8GB by disabling hibernation: »support.microsoft.com/kb/920730

Lower the max size of or move your page file to your HDD: »windows.microsoft.com/en-US/wind···l-memory

And as said earlier, the way Windows's files are laid out, using links from WinSxS, a file can be counted more than once, and updates add to it.
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He cares about free space left, not how the used space was miscalculated by the fuzzy math in W7...
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said by redxii:

And as said earlier, the way Windows's files are laid out, using links from WinSxS, a file can be counted more than once, and updates add to it.

As Ozo sort-of said:

The free/used space pie chart displayed on the 'drive' properties is an accurate reflection of the free/used space in the file system. The file system tracks those numbers (and it has to know what is really free and what is really not free).

However:

The total count and space used displayed for 'folder properties' is not necessarily accurate, because Explorer calculates those by counting everything it can see, and (i) some things it sees more than once, as with junctions, hard links, etc., and (ii) some things it does not see at all, due to lack of permission, etc.

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