 CabalPremium
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| Wayland Preparing For 1.0 Stable Release quote:
Wayland advancements as of late have been going at an extremely steadfast manner from multi-touch support to handling surface transformations with input redirection. Just yesterday I mentioned how Wayland is almost ready for showing off now that the display server is becoming useful and the toolkits (GTK+, Qt, EFL, Clutter, SDL) and other components built upon it and Weston, its reference compositor, are actually functioning. (Speaking of the rapid pace of development, an initial implementation of "weston-launch" was published... I'll save those interesting details for another article.)
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With the 1.0 release of Wayland and Weston, the developers will be maintaining the Wayland core protocol and library APIs as stable. "We're getting ready to do a 1.0 release, which marks a point where the core Wayland protocol and library APIs are going to be stable. It used to be that you would have to compile a special KMS pageflip kernel, a custom mesa branch and my standalone, halfbaked EGL library. Today, everything is upstream and we're working on closing the gaps in toolkit support."
»www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n···=MTA1MTQ
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cloud 9 | That's awesome. I've always felt X was sloppy, and inefficient. I can only hope that Wayland is done right.
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I always liked his whale paintings. Oh, that's Wyland. Never mind. 
Has anyone done a comparison like a value proposition thing you'd create in a commercial environment to see what the benefits might be? |
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said by Rexter:That's awesome. I've always felt X was sloppy, and inefficient. I can only hope that Wayland is done right. I always felt that, too. I really do think that the X Server is too old for handling modern graphics capabilities that the recent GPUs provide (Radeon HD 3000+/Geforce 8000+/GTX 100+).
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A 1.0 release is only the first step in a very long process. I expect it will still be a couple years at least before we see gnome or kde running natively on wayland let alone a lot of the other software we enjoy. Still I can't wait!  |
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 timcuthBraves FanPremium
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However, to the best of my knowledge, if you use Wayland, you will not be able to use a proprietary video driver.
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kudos:1 | Whoa, I don't think a lot of us realized that. So using AMD as an example - because the NVIDIA Nouveau drivers aren't so good - would the performance of the OSS Radeon driver running in Wayland be comparable to Catalyst running in X.org? Well... assuming that one of you guys have tried it. |
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said by timcuth:However, to the best of my knowledge, if you use Wayland, you will not be able to use a proprietary video driver.
Tim
That's too bad. That makes that a less attractive alternative for now at least.
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More info here:
»wiki.ubuntu.com/Wayland |
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said by orion940:said by timcuth:However, to the best of my knowledge, if you use Wayland, you will not be able to use a proprietary video driver.
Tim
That's too bad. That makes that a less attractive alternative for now at least. O. I think it is more to do with there wasn't a stable target for nvidia and amd to base their drivers and their own out-of-kernel compatibility bits on. It's too bad that some influential kernel people would rather see only mediocre video drivers instead of providing the tools for any hardware to work to it's potential.
The reality is that nvidia and amd probably won't put a lot of effort into it if it doesn't provided a better result in the end. Bling and fluff while booting smoothly transitioning to a login window and on to the user interface itself doesn't help get the work done. and time for reboots should account for slightly greater than 0% when compared to doing-something time yet there is still a great amount of time spent making that boot have bling and be faster.  Just think if the effort put into high res frame buffers was instead put into the suspend mechanisms for all hardware.
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Tallahassee, FL | said by firephoto:I think it is more to do with there wasn't a stable target for nvidia and amd to base their drivers and their own out-of-kernel compatibility bits on. I think they will probably also wait until someone is actually in a position to actually start shipping Wayland. Right now building drivers for Wayland would essentially be building software for a platform that nobody is even using.
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It would be very nice if the radeon open source drivers can support adjusting overscan so I can correct that for my HDTV, which is what I'm using propriety drivers for that, which is unfortunate for Wayland. 
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The term "will not" is way to indefinite. Of course, the manufacturers haven't built proprietary drivers for a system that no one uses yet. That's just goofy. I see no reason for venders to start plans for a technology what could completely change the day after tomorrow.
I don't know the technical reason, but it stands to reason that there "will" be drivers made for Wayland, when people actually start using it. It's gonna be a chicken vs the egg situation for a bit, but we'll overcome.
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| Ok, when I said "will not", I meant now. I did not mean "will not ever". I see all these people wanting to rush to install Wayland right after it is announced, so I was just warning them that if they need to run proprietary video drivers, it will not work, now.
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cloud 9 | said by timcuth:I see all these people wanting to rush to install Wayland right after it is announced, so I was just warning them that if they need to run proprietary video drivers, it will not work, now.
Tim
This is true. Good point.
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BTW there is now a livecd which enables you to play with wayland:
»ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?···=wayland
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MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
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When I was at UDS I spoke to some on the desktop team and they where all of the mind that 12.10 would have Wayland in it which will begin the very long and slow process of migrating away from X. 12.10 is not likely to ship very much that will actually use Wayland. It will still be a 99.99% X release.
I expect other distros will be doing similar. |
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CabalPremium
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VA-API Video Decoding Support For Wayland
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