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| The Gmail Man - Microsoft tries a little FUD »www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDbrX5U75dk
Looks like Microsoft is already pandering to everyone, trying to get them to invest in Office 365 instead of Gmail.
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DelmarPip
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South Padre Island, TX | gmail does do that they scan all your emails it says so right there in there thingy that you have to sign to get a gmail  |
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| said by DelmarPip:gmail does do that they scan all your emails it says so right there in there thingy that you have to sign to get a gmail
I think we can all agree not to the extent that the commercial entails. Its a little over dramatized.
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kudos:2 | said by Nightfall:I think we can all agree not to the extent that the commercial entails. Its a little over dramatized.
Aye, a little. |
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canada | said by psafux:said by Nightfall:I think we can all agree not to the extent that the commercial entails. Its a little over dramatized.
Aye, a little. Not by much...
Straight from Google's GMail FAQ:
Is Google reading my mail?
No, but automatic scanning and filtering technology is at the heart of Gmail. Gmail scans and processes all messages using fully automated systems in order to do useful and innovative stuff like filter spam, detect viruses and malware, show relevant ads, and develop and deliver new features across your Google experience. Priority Inbox, spell checking, forwarding, auto-responding, automatic saving and sorting, and converting URLs to clickable links are just a few of the many features that use this kind of automatic processing.
So - they aren't "reading" it... The are scanning and filtering it, for your convienience...  |
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psafuxPremium,VIP
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kudos:2 | said by LazMan:Is Google reading my mail?
If they are, there will be a lawsuit. |
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LazManPremium
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canada | said by psafux:said by LazMan:Is Google reading my mail?
If they are, there will be a lawsuit. Huh? They are. And the owner of the GMail account agreed to it, when the account was opened...
You think that those coffee ad's on the side are just random, while you're reading that email about the new expresso joint your buddy went to? |
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Onion, NJ | they are scanning, not reading. |
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What ads? I use IMAP and Tbird. |
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LazManPremium
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canada | If you use the webmail; there are ad's... |
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psafuxPremium,VIP
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kudos:2 | reply to LazMan
I assure you they are not reading my email. |
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Onion, NJ | said by psafux:I assure you they are not reading my email. not all of them.
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The devil you know. |
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Ditto. And when I do use the browser interface (for management purposes), I hide the ads there with CSS (not that they really bother me--they just take up screen real estate I can better use for other, better things).
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I think you missed that slight hint of sarcasm there. |
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Very true. Lets also keep in mind that Office 365 is a pay for service. Gmail is free. Google apps shows what they scan for....
quote:
In order to provide some of the core features in Google Apps products, our automated systems will scan and index some user data. For example:
Email is scanned so we can perform spam filtering and virus detection.
Email is scanned so we can display contextually relevant advertising in some circumstances. (Note that there is no ad-related scanning or processing in Google Apps for Education or Business with ads disabled)
Some user data, such as documents and email messages, are scanned and indexed so your users can privately search for information in their own Google Apps accounts.
Microsoft's privacy policy for office 365 isn't easily found.
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kudos:4 | said by Nightfall:[
Microsoft's privacy policy for office 365 isn't easily found.
That's because the privacy policy differs based on the region your ship to address is located in. It is easy to find if you add your region to your search terms.
Apparently, consumers cannot get Office 365. The privacy policy for the USA is quite good but it is a paid service ($6 monthly for Small Business) and not free like Google's email so the privacy policies can't be fairly compared.
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| said by Mele20:said by Nightfall:[
Microsoft's privacy policy for office 365 isn't easily found.
That's because the privacy policy differs based on the region your ship to address is located in. It is easy to find if you add your region to your search terms. Apparently, consumers cannot get Office 365. The privacy policy for the USA is quite good but it is a paid service ($6 monthly for Small Business) and not free like Google's email so the privacy policies can't be fairly compared. So they are comparing Office 365 to Gmail, which as you said isn't a fair comparison. When you compare Office 365 to Google Apps, thats much better. At the same time, I know that Office 365 has a search function, so they do scan the emails as well. Google Apps has the advertising turned off if you are a paying subscriber. I would think that the comparison would then be totally false since there is no ad scanning with google apps paid.
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kudos:4 | It gets sort of complex. Enterprise users can turn off the email scanning (which is not for purposes of advertising or building Microsoft dossiers on a company's customers anyway), but I don't recall off the top of my head about Small Business users. But Office 365 is NOT for consumers. I didn't watch the youtube clip because I only have Flash on IE6 and Google blocked IE6 last year at youtube (I usually start a virtual machine with IE8 and Flash if I want to watch youtube but I am currently bypassing the routers so can't do that). So, I don't know what that youtube clip shows about Office 365 and what claims Microsoft is making. The privacy stuff for Office 365 will depend on the region the user is in anyway. Microsoft has to meet EU privacy standards in those countries and different standards in USA, etc. Microsoft does say that Patriot Act makes it possible for Homeland Security to access all 365 Office accounts worldwide. That is not going to go over with EU I don't think.
Microsoft also shows the areas where the data centers are located and even lists specific locations (like Chicago) for some of the data centers. Users of 365 in other nations may have their data stored in the USA but Safe Harbour EU is used and Microsoft has signed the standard contractual clauses of the EU regarding transferring international data. (It is the first software company with in cloud services to do so).
Microsoft says:
"We respect the privacy of your data
No Advertising: Office 365 does not build advertising products out of Customer Data. We don’t scan your email or documents for building analytics, data mining, advertising, or improving the service.
No Mingling: Office 365 always allows you to keep your Customer Data separate from consumer services.
Data Portability: Office 365 Customer Data belongs to the customer. Customers can remove their data whenever they choose to. Learn more about data portability here.
Learn more about what we do to help protect the privacy of your data here."
So, Microsoft is NOT keeping all data (emai or other) hostage like GMail does with ALL email even that of a NON Gmail customer who sends email to a GMail customer. This is a HUGE plus for Microsoft over Gmail...but then the 365 customer is a paying customer and consumers can't get this version of Office.
Isn't Gmail totally free? What about Google apps? Are they free? I avoid anything to do with Google so I don't know about their apps. I do know that I won't communicate with anyone using GMail and, since GMail use can be concealed from correspondents with a GMail user, GMail has just about stopped me from using email at all. I don't want GMail reading MY email to a GMail user and I don't want GMail keeping my email forever, and building a profile on me, just because I replied by email to someone I thought was using their ISP's email but really was using Gmail. To me, Gmail has completely RUINED email.
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| Google Apps for business is paid. As it says in the Google privacy policy, paid google apps customers don't have the advertising so their email isn't scanned in that way. Google apps free customers are another matter.
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