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DownTheShore
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reply to AVD

Re: Nuclear Plant Leak in Southern California

said by AVD:

said by Juggernaut:

As per the forum header on the front page, "All discussions of Security and Privacy are welcome here."

Question still stands.

I would feel less secure if I were there.


Rocky67
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said by psafux:

Hopefully the whole operation doesn't go tits up.

(look at the domes).

When my girlfriend worked at the San Onofre plant, she told me that the engineers there referred to the reactors as units left and right.
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dunworkin
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reply to Madtown
Chicken Little and I put on our tin foil beanies and are doing just fine, thank you.....


jfmezei
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many years ago, there was a really serious nuclear accident in California. It was well documented by Jane Fonda who was a reporter at the time. (and it happened about the same time as the 3 mile island accident)

»www.imdb.com/title/tt0078966/



Juggernaut
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reply to dave

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said by dave:

Any vessel in which a reaction occurs is a "reactor".

You're right, of course. Let's bring out the coke, and baking soda. That'll generate a 'reaction'!


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reply to Madtown

Re: Nuclear Plant Leak in Southern California

It's a good thing it's right on the coast, in a major Earthquake zone, with super density population. That makes it perfectly safe.
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dave
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reply to Madtown
Worthless reporting. Not a single useful fact. When we say "some radiation", are we talking about the amount I get when I walk past the smoke detectors in the hardware store, the amount I get when vacationing in Pripyat, or what?

(Mind you, the nookyooler industry doesn't exactly encourage us to believe a damn word they say either, so I can understand a certain amount of alarmism from journalists).


Madtown
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reply to Link Logger

said by Link Logger:

said by slajoh01:

What does this have to do with computer security?
Unless the leak was caused by a trojan???

A couple of ways to think of it perhaps, first think of the containment building as a condom, a giant TROJAN condom if you will, or if that doesn't work, imagine how many security problems would go away if half of California had no electricity to run their computers, internet etc., for example it would fix those nagging Facebook privacy issues for some folks. The more I think about this, the more I think perhaps we should cut off power to California for at least a month as an initial trial in order to see just how many security problems would be solved.



Blake

Hey I live in California.


Juggernaut
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said by Madtown:

Hey I live in California.

I'm sorry.

jfmezei
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Has any additional information leaked out to indicate the real severity of that "event" ?



Dude111
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reply to Madtown

 

They say its from a plant in cali BUT IM WONDERING IF ITS REALLY FROM THE JAPAN INCIDENT!

California is about 500% or so OVER THE SAFE RADIATION LIMIT i read.......


THZNDUP
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Re: Nuclear Plant Leak in Southern California

Surf's up in the reactor pool..........

A worker at San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station fell inside the plant's Unit 2 reactor pool last week, but officials determined he did not suffer significant radiation exposure.

Southern California Edison spokesman Gil Alexander said Thursday that the worker, who is employed by a private contractor assigned to replace the reactor’s vessel head, "momentarily lost his balance" and fell into the pool Jan. 27 while leaning over to retrieve a flashlight.
...
»www.nctimes.com/news/local/ocean···760.html

Looks like all the 'dirty laundry' is starting to surface, but still not much more on the current leak.
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DrStrange
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reply to Dude111

Re:  

I don't see anything out of the ordinary happening in southern CA. Normal background levels only.

»radiationnetwork.com/


Thane_Bitter

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reply to THZNDUP

Re: Nuclear Plant Leak in Southern California

said by THZNDUP:

Surf's up in the reactor pool..........
Looks like all the 'dirty laundry' is starting to surface, but still not much more on the current leak.

Brilliant! perhaps one day things called railings, barricade fencing and fall harnesses will be invented.

Looks like one or more pipes inside a steam generator likely broke, but do read on.
NRC's initial report:

at 3:05 p.m. (PST), main control room operators at San Onofre Unit 3 received secondary plant system radiation alarms. The operators responded in accordance with their alarm response procedures and diagnosed a steam generator tube leak from the number 2 steam generator. The operators evaluated the leakage to be about 82 gallons per day. At 4:30 p.m., as directed by plant procedures, the operators conducted a rapid power reduction to 35 percent power, then manually tripped Unit 3 at 5:31 p.m. »pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1203/ML12032A243.pdf

An assessment of a leaky steam-generator tube in one of the San Onofre nuclear plant's reactors won't be complete until next week, a spokeswoman for plant operator Southern California Edison said Friday.
»www.ocregister.com/news/unit-338···ant.html

What is interesting was that failure seems to be due to thinning of the metal pipe wall. However, the steam generator was installed within the last year or two and should have lasted until at least 2022.
A final bit of just poetic irony, these steam generators happened to be made in Japan.


RWild
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A few leaking steam generator tubes doesn't mean that it can no longer be used, although I imagine SCE is pretty PO'd to get leaks this soon after replacement of the original SG. Probably caused by vibration and not chemical corrosion.

There are *lots* on tubes inside a steam generator. The most likely course of action is that the leaking tubes will be identified and simply plugged so no more primary coolant leaks into the secondary side.


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reply to Dude111

Re:  

said by Dude111:

They say its from a plant in cali BUT IM WONDERING IF ITS REALLY FROM THE JAPAN INCIDENT!

What, exactly, would be a good reason for someone operating a nuclear plant in California to pretend that his nuclear plant was leaking radioactivity?

You don't even stop and think before you type such twaddle, do you?

RX300

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reply to Madtown

Re: Nuclear Plant Leak in Southern California

During every refueling cycle of a commercial pressurized water reactor,PWR, some or all of the steam generator tubes are eddy-current tested for thickness and some end up getting plugged. They are thinned by corrosion or wear from support plates. There are about 8 to 16 thousand tubes in current steam generators.
The leakage is reactor coolant to the steam cycle, not fuel. This is a very manageable event and every PWR has had SG tube leaks at one time or another.
The sky is not falling. Read up on it.

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