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pnh102
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Fire Them

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Following last week's vote, roughly 120 contracted Bronx technicians briefly walked off their jobs in a "wildcat" strike Thursday protesting a 30% reduction in wages (to $35) for triple play installations.
Wildcat strikes are not legally protected job actions. If Cablevision is smart it would quickly fire every one of these strikers before they cause the company even more grief.
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megatron266
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I'm not sure of the conditions these workers have to endure while doing installations but I'm sure it isn't easy. Tight spaces due to overcrowding and compartmentalization along with bug and rodent infestations due to unsanitary conditions. Sitting in a nice office where you can breath clean air and drink filtered water from the water cooler is a lot better than going through a crawl space and having words with a defiant rat. LOL

I say don't fire them but talk with them and see what went wrong here. This must have been brewing for some time now since strikes like these don't just come out of the blue like that. Remember the amount of money these companies make off their customer's. All this is off the back of the employees that get paid just enough to get by in NYC.

Also, they are not Cablevision employees.

moonpuppy

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Glen Burnie, MD
reply to pnh102
Agreed. Let them find work elsewhere while they bite the hand that fed them.

tkdslr

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Then Cablevision will have to pay market, (100 to 200$ per), rates for triple play installations.


pnh102
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reply to megatron266
said by megatron266:

I say don't fire them but talk with them and see what went wrong here.

No, in the case of a wildcat strike, the employer must act swiftly and forcefully. These kinds of strikes are not like conventional strikes in which there is no contract between labor and management. If the management tolerates one wildcat strike, there will be more.

The other funny thing is that by engaging in a wildcat strike, this newly formed union just made it that much easier for the company to get rid of it once and for all because there is no legal recourse that can be taken against an employer that fires a worker who engaged in a wildcat strike. That's why most labor unions frown upon them.
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moonpuppy

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reply to tkdslr
said by tkdslr:

Then Cablevision will have to pay market, (100 to 200$ per), rates for triple play installations.

Nope, there are plenty of techs out there looking for work and will work for peanuts since jobs are hard to come by now.

clone

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reply to pnh102
Exactly. Can't have the proles standing up for themselves, you know, demanding a living wage and getting all uppity. It's almost like they think they should be able to hold a card or two in our deck. Ha! Lazy money-hungry bastards. I wish we had some decent robots so we didn't have to use these sub-human pieces of trash for our installations at all.

We've worked hard over the years to break up this kind of collusion between the unwashed masses, and it's high time to start letting them know that we learned from those mistakes and won't be letting the pendulum swing back their way, ever.

So damn right, set that batch of slaves free and find a new bunch that will work for $25 or $30 per installation instead of $35. That's how to be a real job creator.


pnh102
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Do you even know what a wildcat strike is?

viperlmw
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reply to moonpuppy
said by moonpuppy:

said by tkdslr:

Then Cablevision will have to pay market, (100 to 200$ per), rates for triple play installations.

Nope, there are plenty of techs out there looking for work and will work for peanuts since jobs are hard to come by now.

Not techs with any experience, or who aren't drunks, or who actually care about quality or the customer.

I have just recently been forced to deal with contractor installations in my area, installations that used to be done by company employees. They had no experience, did bad work, much of which had to be completely re-done, ended up costing the company much more, yet that anti-employee agenda just won't let the powers that be realize this. Contractors only care about getting paid for the piece they are doing. Employees tend to care much more about the company they work for and the customers they serve. But there is an agenda out there, 'Get rid of employees, contract it all out'! Then a company with 50,000 employees can pretend they are a small business.

moonpuppy

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said by viperlmw:

Not techs with any experience, or who aren't drunks, or who actually care about quality or the customer.

I have just recently been forced to deal with contractor installations in my area, installations that used to be done by company employees. They had no experience, did bad work, much of which had to be completely re-done, ended up costing the company much more, yet that anti-employee agenda just won't let the powers that be realize this. Contractors only care about getting paid for the piece they are doing. Employees tend to care much more about the company they work for and the customers they serve. But there is an agenda out there, 'Get rid of employees, contract it all out'! Then a company with 50,000 employees can pretend they are a small business.

And I had the same experience with company techs who didn't know their rear end from a hole in the ground.

Face facts, the wildcat strike was a form of union intimidation against the company and meant to send a message. All that was sent was a big "screw you" to Cablevision and the message back should be "since you care so much, you can find jobs elsewhere."

Unions are going to have to realize their old tactics don't work anymore. Keep doing them and no one will be on their sides.

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reply to pnh102
Yes, and thanks for asking. Obviously you don't. This was NOT a wildcat strike. These workers are not the ones that unionized. A wildcat strike is one where union workers walk off the job without the approval of their union leaders. But thanks for the cup of smug, anyway, I needed one this morning.

Anyway, these are another group of workers who wish to unionize, so this would just be a work stoppage (and an extremely minimal one at that). Not to say that you can't be fired for that, but I am wholly on their side. It's about time workers started standing together again, instead of being run over slipshod by your precious "job creators".


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reply to pnh102
Its amazing to me that you jerks actually side with a greedy giant corporation, rather than your fellow HUMAN BEING trying to make a better life for his/her families.

You should all be ashamed, really.


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Omar Hutchinson, one of the technicians who went on strike, said that workers were moved to act by the Cablevision vote in Brooklyn. He said he earns about $600, before taxes and without health insurance, for a seven-day week that can stretch to 50 or 60 hours.


Seriously, you people bashing these workers disgust me ! Afraid of a $10 increase on your TV bill or something? Bunch of losers on this site !


pnh102
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reply to clone
said by clone:

This was NOT a wildcat strike.

Only in the technical sense that there is no legally recognized union. It is still an absence without authorization, and thus a fireable offense.
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pnh102
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reply to ITALIAN926
said by ITALIAN926:

Its amazing to me that you jerks actually side with a greedy giant corporation, rather than your fellow HUMAN BEING trying to make a better life for his/her families.

How is the person any less greedy for wanting more money? Why is that person's greed worse than the collective greed of a business?
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Woody79_00
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reply to ITALIAN926
said by ITALIAN926:

Its amazing to me that you jerks actually side with a greedy giant corporation, rather than your fellow HUMAN BEING trying to make a better life for his/her families.

You should all be ashamed, really.

I agree, but you don't understand...many folks will defend the very same people who rob them blind.

these are not rational thinking people. I know corporations have a place, im not anti-corp...im pro-common sense.

the fact is, if you look a CableVision's Balace sheet, you will find they are not hurting...they can afford to pay their employees a decent salary and still have plenty of money left over to show very good profits for their CEO, shareholders, etc...but they don't want to do that. it is what it is. However, i don't think morality should be legislated...so really..the best they could do is refuse to work under such conditions or form a union.


fifty nine

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said by Woody79_00:

the fact is, if you look a CableVision's Balace sheet, you will find they are not hurting...they can afford to pay their employees a decent salary and still have plenty of money left over to show very good profits for their CEO, shareholders, etc...but they don't want to do that. it is what it is. However, i don't think morality should be legislated...so really..the best they could do is refuse to work under such conditions or form a union.

These aren't cablevision employees. They are contractors. The contracting company pays them a salary, and like most body shops they are cut rate.

clone

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reply to pnh102
That's what I said.

However, calling it a "wildcat strike" is used by pro-corporate top 10% of the top 1% loving zealots just to be sensational. You are not part of their club, trust me, you're not. Stop defending them. It makes all of you look foolish.

Any balanced media would call it exactly what it is, a bunch of workers got rightfully pissed about the continuous shafting they get from megacorporations, and failed to show up for work on the same day.


Pathfinder
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reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:

said by ITALIAN926:

Its amazing to me that you jerks actually side with a greedy giant corporation, rather than your fellow HUMAN BEING trying to make a better life for his/her families.

How is the person any less greedy for wanting more money? Why is that person's greed worse than the collective greed of a business?

Did you read the article? They didn't ask for more money. Their company cut their pay by 30%.
I guess you would sit there and smile if your boss came in and told you "Stating next week we're cutting your salary 30%"
Oh thank you sir. I'm just glad I got a job.


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said by Pathfinder:

I guess you would sit there and smile if your boss came in and told you "Stating next week we're cutting your salary 30%"
Oh thank you sir. I'm just glad I got a job.

They might...
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CXM_Splicer
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Actually, it is only a wildcat strike if there is a collective bargaining agreement in place. From what I understand, these were non-union contractors so the strike was not illegal. Cablevision could fire them all if they wanted to but then forget about any repairs/installs in the Bronx for a while... not too smart. Apparently Cablevision agreed because they withdrew the 30% cut.

It is really sad that there are people who think workers should accept a 30% pay cut without so much as a whimper. If it was your pay getting cut would you thank them for it?

CXM_Splicer
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reply to moonpuppy
said by moonpuppy:

Nope, there are plenty of techs out there looking for work and will work for peanuts since jobs are hard to come by now.

Do you not understand that this mentality is a race to the bottom? For your sake I hope you are not a worker or a manager because, if you are, your salary will start decreasing soon from this very same effect.


pnh102
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said by CXM_Splicer:

If it was your pay getting cut would you thank them for it?

My pay at my job WAS cut. It was either that or lose my job.
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said by pnh102:

said by CXM_Splicer:

If it was your pay getting cut would you thank them for it?

My pay at my job WAS cut. It was either that or lose my job.

I'll bet it wasn't 30% though..
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My pay at my job WAS cut. It was either that or lose my job.
I guess that excludes YOU as being a Dolan.

So basically, your point of view is that bc YOU as an individual cannot fight for your labor rights, NOBODY should be able to. Because YOU were given a pay cut, everyone else should do the same. Hmm.

Since you believe Cablevision techs are on the brink of being rich and spoiled with benefits, why dont you quit your job and move to the NY area and become an installer?

Until then, keep your opinions to yourself and worry about your own employment.


miataman

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reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:

quote:
Following last week's vote, roughly 120 contracted Bronx technicians briefly walked off their jobs in a "wildcat" strike Thursday protesting a 30% reduction in wages (to $35) for triple play installations.
Wildcat strikes are not legally protected job actions. If Cablevision is smart it would quickly fire every one of these strikers before they cause the company even more grief.

.. They were "contracted" they were NOT CV employees, and therefore not fireable by CV.
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reply to pnh102
I doubt even the $49.95 any drain plumber guys will keep their rates the same for very long. $35 for a cable install is very low for a service call. Tell me ANY other industry thats as cheap or cheaper for a home service call... A cable install can be upto 2 hours (typical is 1hr) for complex installs and minor troubleshooting & activation of set-tops, cablemodem, phone line, etc.

Gasoline prices on the rise.. no way service calls can't rise. Fire them and no doubt the next persons Cablevision hires will be paid MORE to do the same job. Verizon is giving Cablevision plenty of breathing room by rai$ing FIOS rates, effective IMMEDIATELY-- and jacking up the taxes & fees as well! Cablevision employees deserve more money.. outsourced or not-- for that extra money customers get the say with anonymous (coded) surveys on whether they are doing a good job or not.

CXM_Splicer
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I am truly sorry you had your salary reduced. Perhaps if you were in a union you would have fared better than standing against the company by yourself. Verizon has many managers that are considering forming a Managers union (other companies have them too); maybe that would be an option for you. There is nothing wrong with standing up and demanding fair treatment as long as you do it together.


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reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:

said by CXM_Splicer:

If it was your pay getting cut would you thank them for it?

My pay at my job WAS cut. It was either that or lose my job.

Then Unionize like they did and put yourself on the line and stop bitching about it on the Internet.

Its hard to unionize a company, those people put their lives on the line in order to do that, and they won.


soundviewave

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reply to tkdslr
said by tkdslr:

Then Cablevision will have to pay market, (100 to 200$ per), rates for triple play installations.

they do pay over $100 per install. but that is to the contracting company that pays their workers $40.