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Re: Cable companies' Review and Vary of 2011-703 said by Davesnothere:I expect full well that it WILL remain, but here and now we have even more compelling reasons than ever why it should not, due to today's increasingly widespread and prolific time-sensitive activities such as streamed vids.... You do not need 30Mbps out of your "up to 30Mbps" access to watch a 6Mbps stream from Netflix. If it happens to only perform at 10Mbps at that time, you still have 4Mbps to spare and wouldn't notice if Netflix is the only thing you had going... there is a lot more margin for "upto-ism" on higher speed tiers where people are far less likely to require sustained peak rate. |
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jfmezeiPremium
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kudos:22 | Do Canadian ISPs really see some AppleTV/Itunes traffic ? Considering how expensive Itunes is for content, I would think there would be very little of this happening.
Since this traffic is "download" instead of stream, then this would be quite different from Neflix.
And isn't youtube mostly download insted of streaming ? (perhaps not at your max download speed, but definitly faster than streaming speed).
What I would be interested in is how ISPs view downloads (short time at max speed) versus 2 hours of streaming at constant 5mbps.
Which has the most impact in the big picture ? Or are they statistically the same from network load once you have a large enough customer base ? |
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
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kudos:6 | reply to InvalidError
said by InvalidError:You do not need 30Mbps out of your "up to 30Mbps" access to watch a 6Mbps stream from Netflix....
True, in MY current case, and I do not even subscribe to NF.
But just last year, I had only a 5Mb connection, and I do not envy the many who STILL do.
Yes, I know that they can view NF at lower res, but is it fair that they would be forced to do that, just to support the oversubcription ratios of their ISP and/or its upstream provider(s) ?
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
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kudos:6 | reply to jfmezei
said by jfmezei:Do Canadian ISPs really see some AppleTV/Itunes traffic ? Considering how expensive Itunes is for content, I would think there would be very little of this happening.
Since this traffic is "download" instead of stream, then this would be quite different from Neflix....
So iTV sends the whole file before it begins to play the video ?
(I HAD heard before that iTunes did.)
YouTube gambles that the buffer which they create in your computer can stay ahead of the FlashPlayer delivering the content to your screen, and YMMV on that, IME.
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jfmezeiPremium
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kudos:22 | If you pause Youtube, it continues to download.
The iTunes product download at fastest possible speed. You might be able to start to play before download is done but it still downloads at full speed instead of streaming it. |
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kudos:14 | I use AppleTV at home. It also has Netflix built into it. If I rent a movie it asks if I want to watch it, if yes it starts downloading it as fast as it can. You can now rent 1080p movies on it. Works pretty good. Hard on the network though. There's no option to download late at night so I can watch it tomorrow. As soon as you start watching it you have 48 hours to watch the whole thing. Now that AppleTV is doing 1080p, I'm sure others will follow suit. Blockbuster is said to be working on their online stuff.. Google just started a music store online. CBC also if I'm not mistaken? Basically lots of content is being made available in all sorts of ways and people in general will want it when they generally want to view those contents..l with their families and in general in the evenings. On AppleTV I just noticed this new movie, it's called Detachment with Adrien Brode, it's an advanced viewing, I.e. it's on AppleTV before its out in theaters... That's a pretty big change!
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jfmezeiPremium
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kudos:22 | AppleTV may be different because it doesn't have storage.
But if you use Itunes on your computer, it will download its own copy of the movie (with DRM limiting viewing for 48 hours) and you can then watch it on any device, any number of times. |
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kudos:14 | Right, of course. With the new iCloud though, you will surely be able to stream it from the cloud on any of your devices...
For what its worth, I just finished watching "A Dangerous Method" and it's now 4am. Hahaha. *shrug*
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jfmezeiPremium
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kudos:22 | OK, I am putting then here even though Bell is not a cable company, It also R&Ved the 703 decision. |
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jfmezeiPremium
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kudos:22 | I'll post the Comments on the Rogers R&V later after I got some sleep. Didn't get to file on it. |
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said by jfmezei:OK, I am putting then here even though Bell is not a cable company, It also R&Ved the 703 decision.
Sounds like you adequately summed up what we discussed here.
Seems like you gave up writing half way through your filing lol I especially like this part (paraphrased):
*reference: The commission can contact me for it, I'm to f'n tired to include it. |
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Good. Seems everyone is more or less stating what we stated here in regards to the bullshit "line conditioning".
I liked how CNOC start off their filing to the CRTC:
It starts off like this:
Dear CRTC:
Bell is gaming the system with inflated new costs and embellished arguments to fill their coffers for absolutely nothing. This is nothing new.
Best regards,
Bill of CNOC
heh, I wonder if that Bill guy laughs out loud when he reads his own filings? I would 
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MTS to the CRTC |
MTS even drew the CRTC a picture! I can't stop laughing at Bell. |
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kudos:5 | Telus looks dirt cheap in comparison (alongside MTS of course). That ought to ruffle a few feathers. |
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| said by mlerner:Telus looks dirt cheap in comparison (alongside MTS of course). That ought to ruffle a few feathers.
Yes. The CRTC will have to raise everyone's rates to match Bell's unless they want to get into a pissing match with the incumbents.
I wonder how much stomach for that Katz has given that his term expires this fall. |
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LOL even Primus made me laugh:
Dear CRTC:
Yes. Bell made investments 1.5 years ago for the benift of us wholesalers and for the benefit of their beloved customers.
Yes.
Get a clue.
Best regards,
Primus.
Damn I bet everyone involved shared many chuckles with these filings!
All except Shaw, which says everything Bell stated is true. We need to charge wholesalers more.
I haven't had a good telecom chuckle in a long time!
TY! |
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I love MTS allstream. |
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kudos:7 Reviews:
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Further, to the extent that Bell encounters bridge tap when installing HSI, the cable was likely placed in the 70s or earlier and has been fully depreciated and retired from service according to Bell’s depreciation studies and costing methodology. Again, as the Phase II cost is a forward-looking estimate, it is inappropriate and illogical to include any costs attributable to plant that, according to Bell’s methodology, has already been replaced.
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said by More LOLs :This is getting better and better the more I read.
MTS even drew the CRTC a picture! I can't stop laughing at Bell.
I was somewhat disappointed that the commentary on the right margin wasn't actually in the filing. |
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
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1 edit | said by bt:said by More LOLs :This is getting better and better the more I read.
MTS even drew the CRTC a picture! I can't stop laughing at Bell.
I was somewhat disappointed that the commentary on the right margin wasn't actually in the filing.
We could submit the annotated graph as an errata correction, spoofing the contact email of the original sender.
It might still reach the CRTC exec's desks.
And/or could it be sent as an attachment to a tweet from an account, or with a hashtag, one which we expect that CRTC follows ?
Doable, anybody ?
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OK, sitting down now to read these DOCs - sitting is closer to the floor if I anticipate ROFL. 
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