yazdzikPremium,MVM
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1 edit | gnomes and other fairies Dear Friends,
So, laptop has arrived.
Good news is that all the tech stuff I can handle easily.
Really awful, dreadful, depressing, and otherwise not good is debian using gnome 3.
Why, you ask, or don't would I think that debian would use gnome three?
Because in order to apt away the troubled world with all the latest cool stuff, the deps pull up a desktop that is irritating to say the least.
So, in order to decide "which distro, please" which would anger many of you here, I am going to try to ask a more politely phrased, which is to say rudely circumlocuted, version of the same.
Mint seem to have held on to the last vestige of a real gnome, while the deb wheezy folks have not. However, my experience with Min has been that, although I have managed to hang on to the original install for almost two years, getting deps resolved to install latest flash, chrome, and so on, has not been aptly accomplished. Thus, the question here is, looking at the current desktop(oobviously ignoring background and such nonsense) can I get the extreme one-click functionality of all the shit I have in the gnome panels placed exactly as I have it now, were I to chose a gnome 3 distro? I am aware that fallback mode will grant some of this, but I love the panels, and the lack of need to use the menu.
If this were doable, then debian is fine.
I hate desktops, by the way, with visual effects. As one may gather, I tend rather to be a verbal type. 
file:///home/martin/Desktop/Screenshot.png
Best to all,
M
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| Is Debian stable with backports an option?
D.A.D.E is my pet acronym for kde4 and gnome3
Dumb-ass-desktop-environment.
*Currently running debian wheezy w/kde4*
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 timcuthBraves FanPremium
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I have really been enjoying Arch Linux with the OpenBox desktop. I know some people run OpenBox on Ubuntu, so maybe it could work on Debian, too.
»openbox.org/
Tim |
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tl;dr
I don't like Gnome 3. How can I keep using Gnome 2 without maintaining it myself?
Answer: You can't. Find something else that meets your needs. |
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| said by tldr :tl;dr
I don't like Gnome 3. How can I keep using Gnome 2 without maintaining it myself?
Answer: Use FreeBSD. |
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| Since when did the FreeBSD maintainers say they would also maintain Gnome 2? |
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 Bill_MIBill In MichiganPremium,MVM
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Include me in your group of alienated seekers. I've been running with the assumption "there's always XFCE". 
One person driving and focused on this is Clem Lefebvre (Linux Mint Project Leader). So far:
MSGE Mint Gnome Shell Extensions, Gnome3 traditional flavor, work-in-progress
Mate A fork/clone of Gnome 2, I find it very usable.
Cinnamon A fork of Gnome 3, work-in-progress but quite good now.
I'll take it from those close to the action. The consensus seems that Gnome has revamped with the advantage of being 2nd, after KDE, to do so. The modular structure makes it highly extensible for the future. That future just isn't here yet. Well... will it get here before Ubuntu 10.04 LTS runs out Apr 2013?
Anyone with more good news for our little (or big?) group. Please, do tell!
EDIT: PS: I don't like the waste of computing power on "dancing hippos" either. |
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 kleemanAustralian Expat
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kudos:1 | Gnome Fallback is also a reasonable option as well. |
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If Gnome 3 is a disease, then there are several possible curative therapies:
KDE
XFCE
Gnome 3 fallback mode
Mate, MSGE, Cinnamon (though I have not tried any of these).
I didn't know about Gnome 3 plans at the time, but I already switched away from Gnome around 18 months ago. At that time, it seemed that Gnome was making it increasingly harder to configure the desktop the way that I wanted it. And I really didn't want software with an attitude.
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FWIW:
I'll be installing Cinnamon next time I log into Ubuntu on this machine, because my other machine has both Unity and a slightly customized Gnome 3.
Unity is growing on me... or at least I find it pretty stable, but not customizable enough.
Even though I'm pretty sure I'll be creating my own thread about my experience, I'll make a point of posting here once it's installed to give some feedback, if you don't beat me, by installing it first.
Cheers,
EQ
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said by timcuth:I have really been enjoying Arch Linux with the OpenBox desktop. I know some people run OpenBox on Ubuntu, so maybe it could work on Debian, too.
»openbox.org/
Tim
^^ This ^^ |
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said by yazdzik:I hate desktops, by the way, with visual effects. As one may gather, I tend rather to be a verbal type. I say we didn't send millions of years developing written language just so we could go back to pointing at poorly-drawn images and grunting clicking. |
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yazdzikPremium,MVM
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kudos:1 | said by dave:I say we didn't send millions of years developing written language just so we could go back to pointing at poorly-drawn images and grunting clicking.
Exactly.
Seriously, I had no idea how different an install is today. About ten minutes for a basic mint debian install, an hour or so to configure stupid stuff, like amd drivers, and voilà , back to work.
Sadly, my workhorse lappie was stolen yesterday, so transferring the configuration stuff was not an issue, anyway. I had not been on the file server for three days, and lost a bit of work, but the process of ending up with the desktop was remarkably smooth, everything, absolutely everything works out of the proverbial box. For the first time in my life, I installed a prnter from a gui. Less than thirty seconds. That, I am afraid, is faster than I can type.
But, then again, man pages must be tl;dr...
Thanks to all of you for you help.
Warmest best wishes to all,
M
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| By the way, Mint runs XFCE pretty well and even has better GTK theme integration than XUbuntu (don't ask me why). I got it to the point where I have everything set up the way I did on GNOME 2.x. SMB and sFTP support in Thunar also came in useful.
With that being said, MGSE plus a couple of others really made GNOME 3 pretty bearable. I probably would have kept it had my lappy not been getting a little long in the tooth and slow with GNOME Shell.
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| said by FiReSTaRT:By the way, Mint runs XFCE pretty well and even has better GTK theme integration than XUbuntu (don't ask me why).
Another vote for Mint XFCE here, I ran it on my desktop machine for about 6 months... very smooth.
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kudos:1 | How does the GTK3 direction affect XFCE? Very little? Anyone?
XFCE may be on a lot more desktops than ever. I've always found it solid. |
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| said by Bill_MI:How does the GTK3 direction affect XFCE? Very little? Anyone? No idea.. But I wanted to share a couple of things I noticed while running XFCE, just to help others avoid the issues..
1) Running Nautilus for whatever reason may hide all your desktop icons as a consequence. Use Thunar unless you get the /home bug and don't wanna reboot
2) The /home bug means that if you have an encrypted /home, sometimes Thunar will refuse to open it even though it will open folders within it. Only a reboot helps. Logout/login don't
3) I had to download the Debian-testing version of xfce's weather applet because the regular version doesn't have server connection setup right.
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