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lmcpherson

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[TV] Clear QAM in Pinellas county? Just one channel?

So, I've been on FIOS for a little while and just came back to Brighthouse because of the expense. I connected my HVR-1600 to the cable and got the analog channels, but I can only find ONE unencrypted QAM channel. The rest are all encrypted...

Just one??? Really? I thought cable providers were required to mirror channels that were available OTA as a clear QAM channel. Did Brighthouse get a waiver from the FCC?



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said by lmcpherson :

So, I've been on FIOS for a little while and just came back to Brighthouse because of the expense. I connected my HVR-1600 to the cable and got the analog channels, but I can only find ONE unencrypted QAM channel. The rest are all encrypted...

Just one??? Really? I thought cable providers were required to mirror channels that were available OTA as a clear QAM channel. Did Brighthouse get a waiver from the FCC?

That is not correct. Either you aren't scanning correctly or your device is not setup correctly.
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tim tim tim

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You should get all of the local channels in the digital form, including HD. You must not be doing something correctly.



lmcpherson

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That's what I thought... but as far as I can tell, my setup works. It scans and finds a ton of QAM channels that are encrypted, but just one that is unencrypted... the local sports channel. I've done it through both Windows Media Center (win7) and the WinTV7 native app that comes with my capture card.

Does it have anything to do with the fact that I have just analog cable + internet? I specifically asked for just basic analog.

Oh well, I'll work on it a bit more... see what happens.


tim tim tim

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no, the trap you have only blocks out the higher part of the analog spectrum, the digital should almost all be there still. The service SHOULDNT matter (I could be wrong though)



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hmmm


ski93

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In some areas analog has been fully purged from the network, except one or two test channels.. Some providers in order to increase digital and hd capacity have done a cavalry cut over to provide customers with converters more content. If your tuner is not provided by the cable or telco you may not get much if anything. If you live in an area with a smaller provider they may still carry an entire lineup of analog. Remember town to town and region to region it can be dramatically different..Consult your local provider to be sure.



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said by ski93:

In some areas analog has been fully purged from the network, except one or two test channels.. Some providers in order to increase digital and hd capacity have done a cavalry cut over to provide customers with converters more content. If your tuner is not provided by the cable or telco you may not get much if anything. If you live in an area with a smaller provider they may still carry an entire lineup of analog. Remember town to town and region to region it can be dramatically different..Consult your local provider to be sure.

Not the case with us. We still have quite a few channels in the clear so my thinking is something was wonky with his scanning.
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lmcpherson

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Any chance you can give me two or three channel frequencies to try to manually add? (I've seen your post saying the silicondust channels are incorrect).

I'm in St Petersburg, too

Side question:
FYI, even though the silicondust channels are supposed to be incorrect, they almost all have a 4-digit or more number after the separator. For example, Telemundo is listed as 103-2076. Windows Media Center will let one add ONLY 3 digits after the separator. This has got me scratching my head... anyone knows where Media Center stores the channel info it has downloaded? Registry? An XML file somewhere?



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I'm gonna refer this Tim or one of our Clear QAM users because in all honest I have yet to play around with that much. It's on my short list but will require some initial investment in electronic toys and right now that budget is on hold. In the meantime if I dig up anything I'll certainly let you know.


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said by ski93:

In some areas analog has been fully purged from the network, except one or two test channels.. Some providers in order to increase digital and hd capacity have done a cavalry cut over to provide customers with converters more content. If your tuner is not provided by the cable or telco you may not get much if anything. If you live in an area with a smaller provider they may still carry an entire lineup of analog. Remember town to town and region to region it can be dramatically different..Consult your local provider to be sure.

Thanks for the generic reply that doesn't relate to this company. There is still over 60 analog channels available in the paticular area being discussed.

I dont know what specific frequencies are used for the clear qam's. Ill try to look into it and see if I can figure it out though.


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Here is the list of clear QAM channels I receive in South Pinellas.
The first column is channel and sub channel found by the Silicondust Hdhomerun tuner setup program.
The second colomn is the call sign from zap2it.com.
The third column is “network.
The forth is the Bright House Channel number.
The fifth is the channel number on my Vizio TV.
The sixth is the name my TV displays.
The seventh is channel number on my Magnavox DVDR.

HDHR,CALL,NET,CHAN,VIZ,ID,MAG
16-20047,BHSN,BHSN,47,16-20047,RF16-20047,16.3
103-1,WFTT,TELEFUTURA,5,103-1,RF103-1,103.1
103-2012,WMOR,IND,12,12-1,PN-2012,12.1
103-2015,WVEA,UNI,901,103-2015,RF103-2015,103.2
103-2076,WRMD,TELEMUNDO,97,103-28,PN-2076,103.3
104-2603,WEDUDT,PBS,1003,3-1,WEDUHD,3.1
104-2604,WEDUDT3,PBS3,604,604-1,FKN_FLC,104.1
104-2605,WEDUDT4,PBS4,605,605-1,WEDU+,104.2
104-2606,WEDUDT2,PBS2,606,606-1,WEDUV,104.3
104-2607,WFLADT2,8PRIME,607,8-2,8Prime,8.2
104-2608,WFLADT,NBC,1008,8-1,WFLA-HD,8.1
105-2616,WUSFDT,PBS1,1016,16-1,WUSF-D1,16.1
105-2617,WUSFDT2,PBS2,617,16-2,WUSF-D2,16.2
105-2618,WUSFDT3,PBS3,618,16-3,WUSF-D3,16.3
105-2619,WUSFDT4,PBS4,619,16-3,WUSF-D4,16.4
105-2627,Estrella,Est,627,32-3,Estrell,32.3
105-2630,WMORDT2,THIS,630,32-2,THISTV,32.2
105-2632,WMORDT,IND,1012,632-1,WMOR-TV,105.1
106-2610,WTSPDT,CBS,1010,610-0,WTSP-HD,106.1
106-2624,WTOGDT,CW,1004,44-1,2624WT,44.1
106-2631,WTSPDT2,WEATHER,631,631-1,WTSPWe,106.2
107-2300,PPVP,INFO,300,107-2300,ONDEMAND,107.2
107-20015,CSPAN,CSPAN,15,107-20015,RF107-20015,107.3
107-20614,EDAC,EDAC,614,107-20614,107-20614,107.4
107-20615,GOAC615,GOAC,615,107-20615,107-20615,107.5
107-20620,SPCTV,SPCTV,620,107-20620,107-20620,107.6
107-20621,NASA,NASA,621,107-20621,107-20621,107.7
107-20622,PCCTV,PCC,622,107-20622,107-20622,107.8
107-20623,FLACHAN,FLA,623,107-20623,107-20623,107.9
108-1015,WVEADT,UNI,1015,62-2,WVEAHD,62.2
108-1128,CSPAN2,CSPAN2,176,108-1128,108-1128,108.1
108-2006,WTTA,MNT,6,108-2006,108-2006,108.2
108-2008,WFLA,NBC,8,8-1,WFLA
108-2010,WTSP,CBS,10,1,WTSP,108.3
109-2613,WTVTDT,FOX,1013,613-1,WTVTDT,109.1
109-2628,WFTSDT,ABC,1011,28-1,WFTS-HD,28.1
109-2629,WFTSDT2,LWN,629,629-1,WFTS-SD,109.2
110-2011,WFTS,ABC,11,110-2011,,110.1
110-2013,WTVT,FOX,13,613-2,WTVTSD,110.2
110-2611,WTTADT,MYTV,1006,38-1,WTTAHD,38.1
110-2632,WTTADT2,COOL,632,38-2,COOLTV,38.2
110-2633,WXPXDT,ION,1017,66-1,wxpx,66.1
111-2002,WCFL,IND,2,111-2002,111-2002,111.1
111-2003,WEDU,PBS,3,111-2003,111-2003,111.2
111-2004,WTOG,CW,4,111-2004,111-2004,111.3
111-2005,WFTT,TELEFUTURA,903,111-2005,111-2005,111.4
114-2444,MCTRP,MUSIC,444,114-2444,114-2444,114.32
114-2909,WAPA,WAPA,918,114-2909,114-2909,114.35
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Thank you



lmcpherson

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I really appreciate the channel listing. Thanks!

I've been removing/reinstalling drivers, playing around with alternative TV tuners and as far as I can tell, I cannot see any clear QAM channels above physical channel 100. I get Brighhouse Sports (it shows up at 16.6 for me) and during one full scan, I got a physical channel in the 60s that started playing "The King's Speech". I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be an encrypted channel...

However, even though WinTV7 (the tuner program that is specifically for my Hauppauge card) scans up to physical channel 155, I don't get anything beyond 100 or so. It picks up over 200 channels, all of them encrypted but one.

Could there be a trap on my line? Or perhaps Brighthouse is not finished with my neighborhood? I signed up as they were installing a new service... some higher speed internet plus something else. They told me my service might be interrupted briefly last week sometime while they were working...

I wish I had an alternative capture card to test with

FYI, there's an amazing app that lets one modify Media Center guide manually here:
»experts.windows.com/frms/windows···x#540772


lmcpherson

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(Double post just to show I got a registered account, finally...)



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said by lmcpherson:

(Double post just to show I got a registered account, finally...)

Glad to have you and thanks for the contribution

lmcpherson

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So I've been trying a ton of those channels provided. I've needed to use that app I linked to because media center has a bug that prevents you from entering more than three subchannel digits.

Anyways, none of the manually entered channels will work. I get zero signal. I keep thinking it's not a coincidence that all channels above 100 do not get any signal. Perhaps I should post in the direct Brighthouse forum?



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Honestly...I would say no. This isn't a service related issue. Your normal cable works correctly, it doesn't involve a cable card and while I'm a geek in the truest sense of the word this is out of my realm (meaning your software and hardware).


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join:2004-08-09
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said by lmcpherson:

I've been removing/reinstalling drivers, playing around with alternative TV tuners and as far as I can tell, I cannot see any clear QAM channels above physical channel 100. I get Brighhouse Sports (it shows up at 16.6 for me) and during one full scan, I got a physical channel in the 60s that started playing "The King's Speech". I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be an encrypted channel...

In regards to The King's Speech, I'd very much bet that it was someone else's ondemand stream.

Is there a chance of a splitter somewhere that could be blocking/attenuating the frequencies for channels above 100? The chart at »www.csgnetwork.com/tvfreqtable.html seems to specify that 100+ is at 650Mhz and higher. Out of curiosity, does brighthouse use any frequencies past 650mhz that might affect other services such as data/phone? If so are there any remote diagnostics that could be done via the modem/emta device?

Not sure what else can be done other than check to see if the channels are even at the ground block before entering your home. I very much doubt that any limited-basic trap would block most/any of the clear-qam channels, especially if you still have 60+ available channels on analog. If the channels show up straight off the ground block, but do not show up coming out of the wall jack, I'd start hunting for long-lost splitters, or run a new line to the room if you can't find out where that splitter may be.

lmcpherson

join:2012-02-05

Possibly a splitter... but I've used the exact same coaxial line to get FIOS working (lots of digital channels/on-demand on a DVR box + internet). I have no idea if that has similar frequencies though.

You may be right with the long-lost splitter though. Our Brighthouse installer went into the attic, took one look and said he was leaving everything as is. (It's an old house.) I DO have a splitter that splits internet and cable out of a single outlet. It's a 5-1000 MHz splitter... so I hope that's not it. If I get bored, I'll move my PC to the other side of the house and see if the other coax line has better signal.

I can't complain too much. Analog works and I don't have an HDTV anyways so the digital HD would only be for projector use.


lmcpherson

join:2012-02-05

Thanks to everyone that helped. Turns out that even though my analog cable was working and my internet was working at first, my internet started developing speed and connectivity issues. A tech came out and replaced some melted component on the pole itself and suddenly my clear QAM channels came in.

I think those higher frequencies were really getting blocked...

In any case, all is good now And we've at least got a solid list of Pinellas county clear QAM channels now.



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